# Dark Magic? or is there better yo-yo's in the $45 and below range? **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [July 3, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302 "2010-07-03T21:20:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bludevil232](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@bludevil232](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bludevil232)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/1 "2010-07-03T21:20:57Z")
I’m fairly new to yo-yo and i need a new yo-yo. I dont really like the starburst response because of all the noise. I’ve never tried a hybrid response system either. Is there a better yo-yo out there for the same price or lower? Thanks, Blu ---
**Author:** ![lleraH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@lleraH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lleraH)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/2 "2010-07-03T21:24:21Z")
Speeder, Legacy, PGM, Protostar… There’s alot, are you looking for metal rims or plastic? ---
**Author:** ![SR1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sr1/32/104603_2.png) [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/3 "2010-07-03T21:38:04Z")
Under $45? ProtoStar. Most definitely ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/4 "2010-07-03T21:44:23Z")
> [@SR1](#): > > Under $45? ProtoStar. Most definitely Or not. All of these choices mentioned will be great. ---
**Author:** ![lleraH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@lleraH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lleraH)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/5 "2010-07-03T21:47:30Z")
Yoyojam has a bunch of $40 yoyos ---
**Author:** ![hubstack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hubstack/32/7912_2.png) [@hubstack](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hubstack)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/6 "2010-07-03T22:08:14Z")
new breed, prorostar, legacy are all great yoyos and imo r better than the dark magic ---
**Author:** ![speedmaker1101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/speedmaker1101/32/95_2.png) [@speedmaker1101](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/speedmaker1101)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/7 "2010-07-03T22:15:12Z")
> [@yoyo jake](#): > > new breed, prorostar, legacy are all great yoyos and imo r better than the dark magic QFT ---
**Author:** ![bludevil232](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@bludevil232](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bludevil232)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/8 "2010-07-03T22:24:26Z")
Okay. I no longer want the dark magic. 🙂 So I’ve narrowed it down to two choices. The protostar and the legacy. Any suggestions between which two? ---
**Author:** ![lleraH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@lleraH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lleraH)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/9 "2010-07-03T22:26:17Z")
The legacy is pretty much a dark magic but it’s plastic and has dual silicone as response system. The protostar (although I’m not very familiar with it) seems to be a favorite of people. ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/10 "2010-07-04T01:13:00Z")
It’s funny. You guys take the Dark Magic down and then recommend the Legacy saying it’s basically the same as the Dark Magic. The Dark Magic and all of those other yoyos are all great. No one of them is better than another. ---
**Author:** ![lleraH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@lleraH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lleraH)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/11 "2010-07-04T02:05:31Z")
Are you referring to me? 😑 ---
**Author:** ![staten\_island\_man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/staten_island_man/32/481_2.png) [@staten\_island\_man](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/staten_island_man)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/12 "2010-07-04T02:12:13Z")
protostar all the way. it is a great plastic ---
**Author:** ![EpsilonZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@EpsilonZero](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EpsilonZero)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/13 "2010-07-04T03:15:48Z")
I’d really avoid getting a yo-yo that requires a bind 'till you get to the point that you _need_ one. I’d stick with the cheaper plastics at first, Lyn Furies are great for beginners, as are Freehand Zeros, and the new 2010 FH2 is amazing for beginners, and can be a really solid advanced yo-yo when you stick some Silicone stickers in it. ---
**Author:** ![Jiknm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jiknm/32/563_2.png) [@Jiknm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jiknm)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/14 "2010-07-04T03:43:52Z")
You shouldn’t get a yoyo such as Protostar,Legacy,DM, until you know how to bind. If you are fairly new (intermediate range) I would recommend the KickSide,FHZ or Lyn Fury they are both under 20 dollars and are very good yoyo’s. If you do know how to bind I would get the Protostar. Spins like a metal and is plastic so you dont have to worry about dinging it. Has weight rings to make it heavier and fits good in your hand.Also has Center-Bearing which keeps the string in the middle of the bearing. ---
**Author:** ![weinbe58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/dbc845/32.png) [@weinbe58](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/weinbe58)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/15 "2010-07-04T21:35:46Z")
depends on what you want in your yoyo, yyj has like everything covered for under $45, I personally like undersized yoyo’s so I really liked the Atmosphere. ---
**Author:** ![yomaster07](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/6bbea6/32.png) [@yomaster07](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yomaster07)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/16 "2010-07-05T15:02:46Z")
I have a protostar and it has really helped me learn binding I really recommend It if you want to learn binding but If not then just buy thick lube with it. ---
**Author:** ![thrower121](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b4bc9f/32.png) [@thrower121](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/thrower121)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/17 "2010-07-06T03:16:51Z")
i would say protostar and both thick and thin lube if u cannot bind and if u can just get the protostar its a great yoyo it has a center track bearing to keep the string in the middle of the bearing and metal weight rims to keep it spinning longer also its plastic so u wont ding it up ---
**Author:** ![x52](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/3bc359/32.png) [@x52](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/x52)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/18 "2010-07-06T03:22:53Z")
> [@thrower121](#): > > i would say protostar and both thick and thin lube if u cannot bind and if u can just get the protostar its a great yoyo it has a center track bearing to keep the string in the middle of the bearing and metal weight rims to keep it spinning longer also its plastic so u wont ding it up You can still get scratches on it even though it’s plastic. ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2010, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/19 "2010-07-06T12:57:14Z")
> [@thrower121](#): > > i would say protostar and both thick and thin lube if u cannot bind and if u can just get the protostar its a great yoyo it has a center track bearing to keep the string in the middle of the bearing and metal weight rims to keep it spinning longer also its plastic so u wont ding it up That was one long sentence. Punctuation is your friend. Just curious, bluedevil, have you made a decision yet? ---
**Author:** ![Xyjiryo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/b782af/32.png) [@Xyjiryo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xyjiryo)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302/20 "2010-07-06T19:00:04Z")
Honestly, out of all the plastics I’ve tried, the PGM is the one that feels best for me. The Protostar just never zinged with me. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-or-is-there-better-yo-yos-in-the-45-and-below-range/16302.md?page=2)