# dark magic, counter attack, xconvict,speeder,or protostar **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [November 15, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377 "2009-11-15T21:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/1 "2009-11-15T21:15:26Z")
which do you like better of those 5 please include pros and cons but you dont have to ;D 😃 :wink: 🙂 8) ---
**Author:** ![Xdohl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xdohl/32/12_2.png) [@Xdohl](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xdohl)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/2 "2009-11-15T21:53:55Z")
Well, I like the Dark Magic. However, I don’t know what you like. Please tell me a little bit about your preferences… 1. What size do you prefer? (Big, small, medium, etc) 2. What shape do you prefer? (Be specific: Round Butterfly, Flat Rims, pointy shape, H-Shape) 3. What response do you prefer? (Silicone, O-Ring, Hybrid, Pad, etc) 4. Do you like to mod/maintain it? 5. What weight is ideal to you? 6. Does color matter? 7. How does your style relate to the yoyo? (What kind of tricks do you like to do? Fast? Technical? Smooth? Slacks?) 8. What is your price range? 9. What is your skill level? They’re all fine yoyos. I just don’t know which one is right for you. ---
**Author:** ![AeroSlaYa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AeroSlaYa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AeroSlaYa)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/3 "2009-11-15T22:09:56Z")
like xdohl said remember to post preferences in order for us to make accurate recommendations. Personally, i would go with the Counter Attack. ---
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/4 "2009-11-15T22:10:28Z")
im sort of new to yoyoing so i dont really know but im intermediate but you can tell me which you like. this is only my second yoyo ---
**Author:** ![Xdohl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xdohl/32/12_2.png) [@Xdohl](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xdohl)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/5 "2009-11-15T22:33:37Z")
> [@collazoch](#): > > im sort of new to yoyoing so i dont really know but im intermediate but you can tell me which you like. this is only my second yoyo What do you have now? ---
**Author:** ![yoyojamben](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyojamben/32/289780_2.png) [@yoyojamben](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojamben)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/6 "2009-11-15T22:36:17Z")
I would go with the dark magic, Not saying the xconvict/counter attack isn’t good. They’re both excellent. I like the dark magic Because of its spin times, shape, and feel in the hand. But yeah. Tell us your preferences. We could tell you the better. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/7 "2009-11-15T22:38:23Z")
The DM has starbrust and o-ring response. This means that the spintimes for a newer player will be a lot lower than the other two. The Vict is an awesome yoyo and so it the counter attack. Just flip a coin. ---
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/8 "2009-11-15T22:41:54Z")
i have a freehand and i like it a lot but its to responsive also im 12 with medium hands ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/9 "2009-11-15T22:44:21Z")
Then get the vict or counter attack. ---
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/10 "2009-11-15T23:02:47Z")
could you guys please add pros and cons but its ok if you dont ---
**Author:** ![Batryn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/batryn/32/78_2.png) [@Batryn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Batryn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/11 "2009-11-15T23:05:52Z")
Pros and Cons would be totally up to the player, so it depends on the thrower. My pros and cons wouldn’t be the same as someone else’s, because I might like big yoyos, while they like small ones. ---
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/12 "2009-11-16T00:44:52Z")
please help ---
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/13 "2009-11-16T18:14:36Z")
thanks guys ;D.you really helped me but could you add what you think are the pros and cons ---
**Author:** ![AeroSlaYa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AeroSlaYa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AeroSlaYa)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/14 "2009-11-16T20:35:27Z")
DM Pros: Long spin times, hybrid response, ball bearing, excellent for thumb grinds, great for normal grinds. Cons: Hybrid response, “YYJ Vibe” Vict Pros: long spin times, ball bearing, double o ring(can be swieched by silicone which makes it even better), built for stalls, great for grinds Cons: weird shape at first but you get used to it, “YYJ Vibe” Counter attack Pros: long spinning, ball bearing, build off of plastic grind machine, center trac bearing to center string, k-pads for unresponsive play and tight binds, smooth Cons: plays pretty loud Just some quick pros and cons try checking online for video reviews or yoyoexpert’s search button for reviewd. ---
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/15 "2009-11-16T23:47:10Z")
is the dm to snaggy and is the vict good for thumb grinds and how if you threw all 3 yoyos with the same amount of force which one would sleep longest ---
**Author:** ![yoyojamben](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyojamben/32/289780_2.png) [@yoyojamben](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojamben)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/16 "2009-11-17T00:55:20Z")
Ok I am going to tell you this once: DO NOT BUY A YOYO BECAUSE OF SLEEP TIMES, IT IS ALL ABOUT YOUR THROW. Well the buddha king 2 is another story… ---
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/17 "2009-11-17T02:38:42Z")
ok forget spin times but put pros and cons and please answer the stuff i asked ---
**Author:** ![AeroSlaYa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AeroSlaYa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AeroSlaYa)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/18 "2009-11-17T12:07:17Z")
> [@collazoch](#): > > is the dm to snaggy and is the vict good for thumb grinds and how if you threw all 3 yoyos with the same amount of force which one would sleep longest I think they’d all sleep about the same time. The DM shouldn’t be snaggy once the bearing is broken in and once you have more experience in binding. The X-ConVict should be good for thumb grinding once you take the caps off, but i’m not sure so you should ask zome one who has it. ---
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/19 "2009-11-17T21:53:50Z")
thanks keep the replies coming ---
**Author:** ![collazoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@collazoch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/collazoch)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377/20 "2009-11-18T22:35:46Z")
also what about the protostar pros and cons [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-counter-attack-xconvict-speeder-or-protostar/8377.md?page=2)