# dark magic and new breed **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Reviews\ **Created:** [August 13, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348 "2009-08-13T14:53:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dianaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@dianaji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dianaji)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/1 "2009-08-13T14:53:41Z")
Hi everyone,I need a new yoyo but i dont know which one to which is between dark magic new breed and a X-convict. Here are my specification 1)i need a stable one that can sleep for 2 min. 2)That can do tricks without dieing fast 3)Yoyo that can grind 4)the yoyo that feels like it’s worth $40 ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/2 "2009-08-13T14:55:56Z")
They all fit. You have to come up with something else for us to narrow it down. ---
**Author:** ![dianaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@dianaji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dianaji)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/3 "2009-08-13T15:35:27Z")
ok a heavy yoyo, unresponsive out of the box a good gap not to small not to big ---
**Author:** ![MetalMilitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/metalmilitia/32/183_2.png) [@MetalMilitia](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MetalMilitia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/4 "2009-08-13T15:38:28Z")
Based on that I would probably say DM. The New Breed has a rather large gap, it is wider than the DM. ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/5 "2009-08-13T15:39:52Z")
> [@dianaji](#): > > ok > > a heavy yoyo, unresponsive out of the box a good gap not to small not to big Then I say New Breed. The Dark Magic and X-ConVict both need some shimming if you want a wider gap. The New Breed comes stock with a huge gap. And the New Breed is the opnly one that is guaranteed to come unresponsive. ---
**Author:** ![JM1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jm1/32/135_2.png) [@JM1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JM1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/6 "2009-08-13T15:43:12Z")
> [@Pheenix](#): > > > [@dianaji](#): > > > > ok > > > > a heavy yoyo, unresponsive out of the box a good gap not to small not to big > > Then I say New Breed. The Dark Magic and X-ConVict both need some shimming if you want a wider gap. The New Breed comes stock with a huge gap. And the New Breed is the opnly one that is guaranteed to come unresponsive. +1 ---
**Author:** ![catorameus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/catorameus/32/175_2.png) [@catorameus](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/catorameus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/7 "2009-08-13T15:43:48Z")
Out of all of them, the dark magic is the heaviest, while the X-ConVict is the lightest. But they’re all still really heavy at 67+ grams. The X-ConVict has the smallest gap of them, while the New Breed has an widest gap. All of them should come unresponsive out of the box. It usually depends on how much lube was applied on the bearings during the production. Just buy some thin lube just in case. Try to give some more info on what you want. Stuff like what shape for a yo-yo, what kind of tricks you like to do, and response you like. That’ll help us help you with your decision. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![dianaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@dianaji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dianaji)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/8 "2009-08-13T16:14:19Z")
i am going to narrow it down to DM and NB but i have to know which sleeps longer the DM or the NB ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/9 "2009-08-13T16:25:53Z")
> [@dianaji](#): > > i am going to narrow it down to DM and NB > > but i have to know which sleeps longer the DM or the NB Don’t ask that question. Just don’t. If you feel the need to get a yoyo that sleeps longer than another just because it does, you should practice your throw instead. Both of these yoyos should be able to take all your tricks if your throw is good enough. ---
**Author:** ![dianaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@dianaji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dianaji)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/10 "2009-08-13T16:36:33Z")
it’s not the throw i have a legacy but i just fell like getting the DM ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/11 "2009-08-13T16:38:17Z")
> [@dianaji](#): > > it’s not the throw i have a legacy but i just fell like getting the DM Then why did you ask about sleep time? ---
**Author:** ![dianaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@dianaji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dianaji)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/12 "2009-08-13T17:13:16Z")
because i heared the new breed doesnt sleepthat long but i just wanted to see ---
**Author:** ![JM1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jm1/32/135_2.png) [@JM1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JM1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/13 "2009-08-13T17:28:24Z")
> [@dianaji](#): > > because i heared the new breed doesnt sleepthat long but i just wanted to see Heard where? I’ve read nothing but sterling reviews! Anyway, they both sleep plenty long. If you want an adjustable gap, get the DM. If you prefer a fixed gap, get the New Breed. If you like the response in your legacy, get the New Breed. ---
**Author:** ![SR1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sr1/32/104603_2.png) [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/14 "2009-08-13T19:04:00Z")
> [@dianaji](#): > > because i heared the new breed doesnt sleepthat long but i just wanted to see Sleep times depend all on your throw, it is different for every person. Some people can make a New Breed sleep longer than a DM, and some can make a DM sleep longer than a New Breed. The New Breed sleeps perfectly fine, and sleeps long. Where the heck did you hear it didn’t sleep long? Either you misunderstood, or that person doesn’t know how to throw a yo-yo. ---
**Author:** ![dianaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@dianaji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dianaji)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/15 "2009-08-13T21:02:08Z")
OK SINCE i have a legacy and i like the silicone play i will get the new breed thanks a lot everyone for helping and i really apearciate you guys for helping ---
**Author:** ![GorrillaYo808](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gorrillayo808/32/282_2.png) [@GorrillaYo808](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GorrillaYo808)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/16 "2009-08-18T01:05:16Z")
I would get the New Breed…silicone response pads and a smooth bearing. i love the body, especially the celcon texture (smmoooooth grinds) and the gienormous gap is good for lots of layers of string. I love my new breed, its one of yyj’s best yoyos ;D ---
**Author:** ![hometowne96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@hometowne96](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hometowne96)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/17 "2009-08-24T20:13:35Z")
dark magic ---
**Author:** ![Paolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Paolo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Paolo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/18 "2009-08-24T20:18:02Z")
> [@hometowne96](#): > > dark magic Have you even tried New Breed? I reccomend the New Breed anyways. ---
**Author:** ![yoyomaster242](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyomaster242/32/64_2.png) [@yoyomaster242](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyomaster242)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/19 "2009-08-25T08:33:30Z")
i would say the DM because you can mod it easier than the New Breed ---
**Author:** ![Paolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Paolo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Paolo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348/20 "2009-08-25T08:40:12Z")
> [@yoyomaster242](#): > > i would say the DM because you can mod it easier than the New Breed Did he say he was going to mod it? Besides, he is already going to get a New Breed. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/dark-magic-and-new-breed/5348.md?page=2)