# CZM84VK vs H.O.T
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452
**Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation
**Created:** [July 13, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452 "2013-07-13T23:43:04Z")
**Posts on this page:** 15
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### Author:  [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/1 "2013-07-13T23:43:04Z")
Hey, I was about to get a H.O.T(also, does H.O.T stand for something?) but i wasn’t sure because i also kinda want a czm84vk. I know the shapes are totally different. im leaning towards the hots shape. But the czm is like $20 cheaper… And I’ve never tried a czm, so yah. I kinda forgot how the hot plays cuz i tried like 10 yoyos that day.
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### Author:  [@aznnboyaZ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aznnboyaZ)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/2 "2013-07-13T23:48:46Z")
HOT stands for Harold Owens the Third.
And I’d go for the Czechmate. Its cheaper. And I hear it plays like the Beserker. And that says ALOT
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### Author:  [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/3 "2013-07-13T23:50:37Z")
> [@aznnboyaZ](#):
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> HOT stands for Harold Owens the Third.
> And I’d go for the Czechmate. Its cheaper. And I hear it plays like the Beserker. And that says ALOT
I knew what the H and O stood for, but didn’t know the “T” stood for third…
I have also heard that… Many times.
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### Author:  [@aznnboyaZ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aznnboyaZ)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/4 "2013-07-13T23:51:17Z")
Haha 🙂
So I think the decision has been made! Haha
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### Author:  [@BenM36](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BenM36)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/5 "2013-07-13T23:58:08Z")
> [@aznnboyaZ](#):
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> HOT stands for Harold Owens the Third.
> And I’d go for the Czechmate. Its cheaper. And I hear it plays like the Beserker. And that says ALOT
I’d just like to say that from what I’ve heard, the CZM doesn’t play like the Berserker, it’s like the Berserker of YYF. Maybe I’m interpreting this wrong, but doesn’t that mean that the CZM is the absolute competition beast from YYF, not that it feels like a Berserker in play? Also, I would go with a H.O.T. Everyone I’ve talked to loved it. I know I want one badly.
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### Author:  [@aznnboyaZ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aznnboyaZ)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/6 "2013-07-14T00:14:05Z")
I have one. It reminded me of. Like a cascade with catalyst rims.
With a little supernova in it
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### Author:  [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/7 "2013-07-14T00:37:33Z")
> [@aznnboyaZ](#):
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> I have one. It reminded me of. Like a cascade with catalyst rims.
> With a little supernova in it
Well, the cascade is the same shape… Soo… I didn’t like the catalyst, but it’s just the time. And, look at my favorite yo 🙂 and thats what people are saying, the Berserker of yyf, not “THE Berserker”
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### Author:  [@aznnboyaZ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aznnboyaZ)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/8 "2013-07-14T00:45:06Z")
> [@yoyo143](#):
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> > [@aznnboyaZ](#):
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> > I have one. It reminded me of. Like a cascade with catalyst rims.
> > With a little supernova in it
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> Well, the cascade is the same shape… Soo… I didn’t like the catalyst, but it’s just the time. And, look at my favorite yo 🙂 and thats what people are saying, the Berserker of yyf, not “THE Berserker”
Then HOT? Haha
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### Author:  [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2013, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/9 "2013-07-14T04:56:26Z")
Ahhh, im stuck! Cuz the HOT has a nice shape, but it’s $20 more. And the czm is $20 less, and the shape is still nice and people say good things about it, too.
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### Author:  [@Y0Y0SR2PR0](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Y0Y0SR2PR0)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/10 "2013-07-14T15:32:08Z")
i say hot due to how long and solid it spins, how good its horizontal grinds are, andoverall pace of it.
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### Author:  [@J\_Singh\_2K](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/J_Singh_2K)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/11 "2013-07-14T17:25:22Z")
CheckMate! It’s amazing!!! If you want a bell shape, I’d just go for a cascade instead of a HOT.
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### Author:  [@nardcopter](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nardcopter)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/12 "2013-07-14T17:45:49Z")
I love the hot. I played the CZM8 and liked it too, not as much. It’s preferences. The HOT has a semi-floaty feel that I love, where it is a bit solid.
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### Author:  [@YourBBQ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YourBBQ)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/13 "2013-07-14T18:00:52Z")
I’d go with the CZM84VK
I plan on getting a new one later
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### Author:  [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)
#### Post date: [July 14, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/14 "2013-07-14T18:42:30Z")
I think I will do some research on both, and choose.
Because the first person says “hot, its amazing!” next person"czm! Its the best ever!" and thats what’s been happening. Plus, in like 5 days I can try the hot , ill see if I like it.
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### Author:  [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2013, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/czm84vk-vs-h-o-t/56452/15 "2013-07-16T06:07:53Z")
No more opinions?