# Controversy on Worlds 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [August 29, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473 "2023-08-29T16:12:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mistale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mistale/32/204396_2.png) [@Mistale](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mistale)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/121 "2023-09-20T11:12:31Z")
You can still read it if you click the orange pencil with the 1 next to it in the top right of the post ---
**Author:** ![Blaidd\_Drwg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/blaidd_drwg/32/53190_2.png) [@Blaidd\_Drwg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Blaidd_Drwg)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/122 "2023-09-20T11:42:40Z")
Thank you, I never you could do that. @yoyodoc what you wrote summed up what I have been thinking about all this. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/123 "2023-09-20T11:46:19Z")
Original and edited take are pretty much how I feel here. ---
**Author:** ![Bobparty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bobparty/32/302913_2.png) [@Bobparty](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bobparty)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/124 "2023-09-20T11:50:49Z")
Funny I had one, drove it for a week and returned it. Probably the worst car I ever had, wanted to love it but just couldn’t ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/125 "2023-09-20T12:14:58Z")
#FreeTaka, today I’m playing a Spin Gadget in solidarity > **[Spin Gadget](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/spin-gadget-yoyo-by-japan-technology?variant=40984961843390)** > > The all new Spin Gadget by SpinGear in Japan was designed to be an inexpensive option for beginners and modern responsive enthusiasts. It is easy to play with, durable, and has a great look. It is equipped with plastic trans-axle and starburst... ![20211010_170949](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/3X/1/a/1a92112a03f57c4f5ed8f8f848ce6862e103c996.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Bobparty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bobparty/32/302913_2.png) [@Bobparty](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bobparty)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/126 "2023-09-20T13:44:06Z")
Has he really not provided an update yet? ---
**Author:** ![fradiger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fradiger/32/66850_2.png) [@fradiger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fradiger)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/127 "2023-09-20T14:46:05Z")
Let’s throw some fuel on the fire. Here’s some public instances of Hironori and Steve being mentioned in the same sentence. The earliest one I can find is from yoyodoc back in 2009 (this one is mostly for the memes to be clear, but it does come from a reputable source): ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/4/9/64905cb944360f44b825842e4dbe631ab850e5d5.png) (archive link: [YoYo Discussion forum - Thoughts on the Severe - YoYoNation.com](https://web.archive.org/web/20091113025200/http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/index.php/topic,64535.msg726131.html#msg726131)) Here’s another one from 2014: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/1/1/c11b133ce37277e2743a1254c7b67df191a3a728.jpeg) (link: [■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ [Japan/USA] on Instagram: "Hironori Mii and Steve Brown #yoyomaster #nationalyoyomaster #44clash #yokohama #baysideyokohama #yoyonews #clyw"](https://www.instagram.com/p/vryV5lJYl0/?hl=en)) 2016 (from an askfm archive): ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/1/2/112785d27224a48c614fe40ea38ba378a281c614.png) Also the Klondike’s inspiration of (pulled from the description on many storefronts): “CLYW has always had a great relationship with National Yo-Yo Master Hironori Mii and the rest of the folks from Rewind.” Definitely lots more instances thrown around that I have some vague memories of or have read other people discussing them, but lots of yoyo history gets deleted off the internet (RIP onedrop forums, there was some juice there). – I feel like the statement should have come out weeks ago, and at this point with how closely connected Steve/Hironori are I would have a hard time taking everything at face value. ---
**Author:** ![mkmavvl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mkmavvl/32/196606_2.png) [@mkmavvl](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mkmavvl)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/128 "2023-09-20T15:56:19Z")
**CLYW & REWIND EXCLUSIVE COLORWAY** b̶a̶n̶ beater ![1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/a/e/eaeccb8473c4332f4b0c23fcb35fa1c0c02bb0e1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![theendofcake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theendofcake/32/245990_2.png) [@theendofcake](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theendofcake)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/129 "2023-09-20T15:57:04Z")
maybe i’ll stop hating on the beater if this is real… ---
**Author:** ![Marioyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/marioyo/32/303068_2.png) [@Marioyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Marioyo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/130 "2023-09-20T16:40:20Z")
![IMG_7101](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/4/4/c445c4f188ea20f4c04bd8116fdcd85b8ca835e5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![KennySpins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KennySpins](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/KennySpins)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/131 "2023-09-20T17:43:27Z")
Wonder why Taka hasn’t posted a statement, maybe translation issues for us? ---
**Author:** ![KirbyRobot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kirbyrobot/32/608292_2.png) [@KirbyRobot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/KirbyRobot)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/132 "2023-09-20T17:57:22Z")
He probably realized it was causing drama and decided to handle the situation differently. Vibes I’m getting are that he got banned, got frustrated, made his post calling people out, and then realized what sort of a storm it was gonna cause (seeing fingers get pointed, steve getting the blame, etc.), and then decided to privately handle it without making it a bigger scene. We’ll probs get a double update from IYYF and Taka when its all resolved. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![stephencaplanis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stephencaplanis/32/250916_2.png) [@stephencaplanis](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stephencaplanis)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/133 "2023-09-20T17:59:42Z")
Sorry i know, But who even is Taka and why should i care that he was banned?? ---
**Author:** ![theendofcake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theendofcake/32/245990_2.png) [@theendofcake](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theendofcake)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/134 "2023-09-20T18:01:18Z")
> [@hobbygod](#): > > Imagine worlds 2024 comes in and YYF is banned because head of CLYW and direct competitor Steve brown is on the IYYF. this quote and a bunch around that area summarize it ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/135 "2023-09-20T18:07:06Z")
> [@fradiger](#): > > with how closely connected Steve/Hironori are Personally, I think you’re reading into this. When you’ve been around as Steve has, you’re bound to be closely connected to a lot of people in the community. ---
**Author:** ![stephencaplanis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stephencaplanis/32/250916_2.png) [@stephencaplanis](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stephencaplanis)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/136 "2023-09-20T18:15:38Z")
Sounds like conspiracy to me ---
**Author:** ![GTDropKnot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gtdropknot/32/212400_2.png) [@GTDropKnot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GTDropKnot)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/137 "2023-09-20T18:27:23Z")
Inventor of solo ham, runs spingear, been in the Yoyo scene for like over 20 years. You should care bc it seems like he was banned for no reasonable reason. Seems to me like it was an abuse of power and imo that shouldn’t be accepted and ignored by the Yoyo community. ---
**Author:** ![fradiger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fradiger/32/66850_2.png) [@fradiger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fradiger)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/138 "2023-09-20T18:28:45Z")
Oh 100%. I just want to keep conversation moving since I want to see a statement. Even if the statement is literally just “lawyers are involved sorry”. Plus who doesn’t love a good old fashioned conspiracy theory… (/s) ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/139 "2023-09-20T18:29:34Z")
To be fair lawyers would suggest not even doing that much if involved… ---
**Author:** ![stephencaplanis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stephencaplanis/32/250916_2.png) [@stephencaplanis](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stephencaplanis)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473/140 "2023-09-20T18:30:34Z")
Oh spingear! Yeah im looking forward to hearing the reasons for him being banned. They must be good for him to be removed. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/controversy-on-worlds-2023/383473.md?page=8)