# CLYW Chief or YOYOFATORY Catalist Zstacked **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [May 28, 2013, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210 "2013-05-28T05:15:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/21 "2013-05-29T01:43:23Z")
> [@Hendy](#): > > I’ve never played a Catalyst personally, but judging by the quality of the other YYF metals, it probably doesn’t hold a candle to the Chief. The Chief is straight-up amazing, and most yoyoers will tell you the same (although, as with anything, there are always a few naysayers). Also, IMHO hubstacks are pretty gimmicky. They induce vibe and never really get used much. Also, they take the challenge (and the fun) out of horizontal grinds. This mans got it… Listen to him ;D ---
**Author:** ![GregP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gregp/32/1192_2.png) [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/22 "2013-05-29T01:44:56Z")
You know what hubstacks (Z-stacks, actually) are really neat for? 5A. You already have a freehand, this lets you explore that even more. ---
**Author:** ![NathanC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathanc/32/891_2.png) [@NathanC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NathanC)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/23 "2013-05-29T02:24:52Z")
> [@andy569](#): > > > [@Hendy](#): > > > > I’ve never played a Catalyst personally, but judging by the quality of the other YYF metals, it probably doesn’t hold a candle to the Chief. The Chief is straight-up amazing, and most yoyoers will tell you the same (although, as with anything, there are always a few naysayers). Also, IMHO hubstacks are pretty gimmicky. They induce vibe and never really get used much. Also, they take the challenge (and the fun) out of horizontal grinds. > > This mans got it… Listen to him ;D :🙂 USA-made YYFs are some of the best value for money yoyos made these days. I mean $75 for a high quality made in the USA metal? The hubstacks can come off, let’s not forget hubstack yoyos have won world championships with and without their stacks… I’d also suggest the OP check out the CZM84VK. Looks amazing, price is great, every review i’ve read is positive. I have one on the way and i’m super excited. ---
**Author:** ![SteveB327](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@SteveB327](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SteveB327)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/24 "2013-05-29T04:01:03Z")
I’ve played both. Get a CHIEF!! ---
**Author:** ![yoyofly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/87869e/32.png) [@yoyofly](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyofly)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/25 "2013-05-29T05:48:38Z")
I tried the Catalyst at BAC, and it was really heavy. I didn’t like it because it felt kind of “slow” so I would go for the Chief. If you are trying to stay in the $70-$80 price range, I recommend getting the CZM84VK. ---
**Author:** ![Gambit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gambit/32/1358_2.png) [@Gambit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Gambit)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/26 "2013-05-29T08:11:22Z")
> [@NathanC](#): > > :🙂 USA-made YYFs are some of the best value for money yoyos made these days. I mean $75 for a high quality made in the USA metal? The hubstacks can come off, let’s not forget hubstack yoyos have won world championships with and without their stacks… I’d also suggest the OP check out the CZM84VK. Looks amazing, price is great, every review i’ve read is positive. I have one on the way and i’m super excited. Once again NathanC has shown us the way. The Czech Mate costs basically half the the price of the Chief yet (in my opinion) performs just as well. Enough said really… In fact, since I’m not the biggest fan of floaty throws, I personally prefer the way it plays to the Chief. I’m surprised that YYF have priced it as cheaply as they have, they could easily have gotten away with charging more for it. ---
**Author:** ![aznnboyaZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aznnboyaz/32/651830_2.png) [@aznnboyaZ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aznnboyaZ)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/27 "2013-05-29T11:41:23Z")
> [@MYNAMEISZen](#): > > > [@Gambit](#): > > > > > [@Coffelt](#): > > > > > > I do believe a small amount of catalysts were made with hub stacks… > > > > _Googles_ > > > > I’m surprised that they’re still making Catalysts with Augie gone… > > after Augie left they changed it to Harold Owens signature throw. Actually, It was just the Owens edition. The HOT is the Harold Signature throw. Hence the name HOT ---
**Author:** ![SaltySalvador](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/saltysalvador/32/1187_2.png) [@SaltySalvador](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SaltySalvador)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/28 "2013-05-30T02:02:42Z")
Oh, now I understand. The Chief is way better. The Catalyst is still my favorite YYF. ---
**Author:** ![xmotoby](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xmotoby/32/1246_2.png) [@xmotoby](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/xmotoby)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/29 "2013-05-30T02:33:56Z")
I think the Chief is better, but I still prefer other yoyos to it. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/anthony/32/1385_2.png) [@Anthony](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Anthony)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/30 "2013-05-30T02:36:07Z")
thanks everyone for the help 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Augie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/augie/32/689542_2.png) [@Augie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Augie)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/31 "2013-05-30T08:36:48Z")
I would definitely go with the Chief. I’ve had a lot of play time with both. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![aznnboyaZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aznnboyaz/32/651830_2.png) [@aznnboyaZ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aznnboyaZ)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/32 "2013-05-30T11:49:35Z")
> [@Augie](#): > > I would definitely go with the Chief. > > I’ve had a lot of play time with both. :wink: And now your Choice has been made xD :wink: ---
**Author:** ![Gambit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gambit/32/1358_2.png) [@Gambit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Gambit)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/33 "2013-05-30T12:12:42Z")
> [@Augie](#): > > I would definitely go with the Chief. > > I’ve had a lot of play time with both. :wink: The lord hath spoken! ---
**Author:** ![Hendy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Hendy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Hendy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/34 "2013-05-30T18:33:24Z")
> [@Augie](#): > > I would definitely go with the Chief. > > I’ve had a lot of play time with both. :wink: If that’s not definitive, I really don’t know what is. ---
**Author:** ![NathanC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathanc/32/891_2.png) [@NathanC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NathanC)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/35 "2013-05-30T19:33:49Z")
Augie’s said before he didn’t have any input in the Catalyst design, so doesn’t really mean anything if he prefers one throw or another. And still the whole price difference thing. ---
**Author:** ![Hendy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Hendy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Hendy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/36 "2013-05-30T19:42:54Z")
> [@NathanC](#): > > Augie’s said before he didn’t have any input in the Catalyst design, so doesn’t really mean anything if he prefers one throw or another. And still the whole price difference thing. I beg to differ. He said himself he’s played both extensively. In no way does his having no input in the Catalyst falsify his opinion. He’s also among of the greatest throwers ever, so you should probably listen to his advice. In regards to my opinion, the Catalyst is probably better value. The Chief plays great and all, but it’s price point is certainly very steep. Also, you keep saying that YYF throws have won competitions. I don’t recall any competition in which a yoyo was the winner. A good player can perform well with any yoyo. Jensen Kimmitt won worlds with a Northstar, doesn’t make the Northstar any better than the other yoyos that were being used. ---
**Author:** ![Augie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/augie/32/689542_2.png) [@Augie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Augie)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/37 "2013-05-31T00:51:49Z")
> [@NathanC](#): > > Augie’s said before he didn’t have any input in the Catalyst design, so doesn’t really mean anything if he prefers one throw or another. And still the whole price difference thing. Chief is a bit expensive, though worth it. The Catalyst is a decent yoyo, but in my opinion there are quite a few yoyos in that price range that will out-perform it, especially considering that the Catalyst is 2 years old and a lot of top-level yoyos have come out since then. The stacked Catalyst, in particular, has a center heavy weight distribution and I find the spin times and stability lacking. If you’re looking for pure value to playability, I love the Alpha Crash ($20), Trigger ($28), Di Base 2 ($55), Glitter ($90), Mo-Vitation, Code 1 ($100), Summit ($115) , Cascade ($115). I also dig a lot of the Crucial throws. If you’re looking for YYF specifically, Super G is a solid choice and is especially great as a competition throw. ---
**Author:** ![Turbyonium](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@Turbyonium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Turbyonium)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/38 "2013-06-01T00:34:38Z")
I’ve owned both. I have 2 Chiefs. It’s the only throw I own multiples of. If you like a bit of float, (Which I love) the Chief is tops in my book. ---
**Author:** ![yoyo143](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyo143/32/1384_2.png) [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/39 "2013-06-02T17:15:36Z")
> [@Anthony](#): > > what yoyo should I get a chief or a calalist zstacked with hubstacks included? > > i wanted the chief in Adam Brewster edition for $145 but then I wanted the catalist for $70-$80 dollars > I dont know which one to chose > I have a yoyofactory genesis but no yoyos with hubstacks > so im stuck on a decision of which one to get can someone give reasons of which one to get > > catalist zstcked are coming to yoyoexpert soon 🙂 Z stacks are cool… But it’s preference, like I hated the catalyst, never tried the chief. I’d go with chief. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/anthony/32/1385_2.png) [@Anthony](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Anthony)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210/40 "2013-06-10T23:25:02Z")
thank you everyone. 🙂 I finally made my choice and got the chief!!! ;D I got it today and with 2011 cards and 3 2013 card packs. I ordered it on national yoyo day. ;D thanks for the help. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/clyw-chief-or-yoyofatory-catalist-zstacked/54210.md?page=1)