# China reopened its' wet markets, how does that make you feel? (Closed) **URL:** \ **Category:** Unrelated Discussion\ **Created:** [April 6, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858 "2020-04-06T16:40:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![French](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/french/32/70748_2.png) [@French](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/French)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/63 "2020-04-07T00:02:50Z")
Well played, Dr. Lecter ---
**Author:** ![gomanual](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gomanual/32/68987_2.png) [@gomanual](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/gomanual)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/64 "2020-04-07T02:17:48Z")
> [@nonja121](#): > > the harder question of why we’ve collectively ignored literally two decades of warnings about our national inability to respond I think this is the easier question actually. Without being cynical, it’s human nature to deal with the problems right in front of us (even the little ones) and put off the ones lurking in the distance (even the big ones). There are lots of other examples, but I’ll refrain from listing so as not to derail the thread. The reality is that there are lots of other factors _magnifying_ that basic human nature for political and economic gain. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![gomanual](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gomanual/32/68987_2.png) [@gomanual](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/gomanual)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/65 "2020-04-07T02:24:48Z")
Can I just put it out there that I love you guys? I really appreciate that this board is generally insular, but when there’s an Unrelated Discussion it’s generally civil even when people have differing views. Perhaps because throwing is so removed from science, geography, politics, etcetera, I think we have a reasonably diverse group here. I warms my heart that if any of us were to get together, we’d all have a cool thing in common. ---
**Author:** ![nonja121](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nonja121/32/52722_2.png) [@nonja121](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nonja121)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/66 "2020-04-07T02:47:53Z")
> [@gomanual](#): > > when there’s an Unrelated Discussion it’s generally civil even when people have differing views Same here! I know this thing is a touchy and emotional subject for a lot of us—it definitely is for me—but this has been super civil and I’m really appreciative of that. > [@gomanual](#): > > I think this is the easier question actually. I misspoke earlier. I meant that it’s the harder one to address. I agree 100% with your assessment. I just don’t know what to do about it to help prevent/mitigate this kind of thing recurring in the future. ---
**Author:** ![beherenow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/beherenow/32/125309_2.png) [@beherenow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/beherenow)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/67 "2020-04-07T02:48:39Z")
If there was respect given to our ‘food’, so many issues plaguing us today would not exist. Corporate farming has been passed by law to win and gone so far as to have been shutting down farms across the USA for 2 decades I’m aware of. The laws used to raid and shut down smaller/sustainable/ethical farms was to corner the market. It worked. Much like the laws that have allowed Monsanto to take over the corn market and soy. Monsanto is also responsible for millions of farmers world wide committing suicide by promising them ‘magic beans’. “I’m not a vegetarian because I like animals. I’m a vegetarian because I hate plants.” - ? > [@gomanual](#): > > The reality is that there are lots of other factors _magnifying_ that basic human nature for political and economic gain. Greed. ---
**Author:** ![gomanual](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gomanual/32/68987_2.png) [@gomanual](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/gomanual)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/68 "2020-04-07T02:53:56Z")
> [@nonja121](#): > > I meant that it’s the harder one to address. Oh yeah. Orders of magnitude harder to address. ---
**Author:** ![gomanual](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gomanual/32/68987_2.png) [@gomanual](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/gomanual)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/69 "2020-04-07T02:55:16Z")
> [@beherenow](#): > > Greed. Touché. ---
**Author:** ![kretzschmar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kretzschmar/32/668707_2.png) [@kretzschmar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kretzschmar)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/70 "2020-04-07T02:55:51Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/d/f/3df4747e1346eb573b168a481fae25623aa60723.jpeg "These Strange Things Are Happening Worldwide While You Are Quarantined.. 2020 PROPHETIC TIMES") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boxUt8DIZUw&t=1814s) ---
**Author:** ![beezy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/beezy/32/161690_2.png) [@beezy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/beezy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 3:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/71 "2020-04-07T03:16:39Z")
> [@beherenow](#): > > Greed. But systemic, not just individual (bad) actors. In other words, we have the effects of a coronavirus compounded by another virus, and that virus’ name is capitalism. ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/72 "2020-04-07T11:03:08Z")
> [@French](#): > > Likely due to the pangolin not being cooked to a high enough temperature. You wrote a very correct thing. Viruses, whatever they are, are a fragment of DNA or RNA [_edit_ (thanks @French): _nucleic acids_], covered with a protective membrane of proteins. Proteins above 40 degrees centigrade begin to denature making any infected meat completely immune, this clearly if well cooked, in the sense that in all its parts it must exceed this minimum temperature for adequate time. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/73 "2020-04-07T12:41:01Z")
> [@French](#): > > The last theory was bats to pangolins to people. Likely due to the pangolin not being cooked to a high enough temperature. Just had to google what Pangolin is and damn… If i’m eating that scaly anteater thing you better believe i’m cooking it well done! ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/74 "2020-04-07T12:48:55Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/8/f/d/8fde0d3ea1be9e5965c7f508f56e92d462c2056f.jpeg) They’re so cute! 😍 ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/75 "2020-04-07T13:08:49Z")
i would consider our interpretations of cute to be much like the definition of vibe… subjective. ---
**Author:** ![beherenow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/beherenow/32/125309_2.png) [@beherenow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/beherenow)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/76 "2020-04-07T15:45:13Z")
> [@nonja121](#): > > > [@gomanual](#): > > > > when there’s an Unrelated Discussion it’s generally civil even when people have differing views > > Same here! I know this thing is a touchy and emotional subject for a lot of us—it definitely is for me—but this has been super civil and I’m really appreciative of that. I would stand with anyone on this site before a politician. Well, maybe not some of the dead ones, but they’re dead. 🤣 I have zero affiliation other than the truth as I can understand it. > [@beezy](#): > > But systemic, not just individual (bad) actors. In other words, we have the effects of a coronavirus compounded by another virus, and that virus’ name is capitalism. It wasn’t always this way. Eisenhower had a 90% tax rate on the wealthiest in the US. One reason was he believed no one person deserved nor needed to be a billionaire. Others… ![eisenhower responsible economics](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/e/e/6eeac4cb4c4fa784a6a668207ca5222fd02d4f1b.jpeg) ![corporate power fascism fdr (2)](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/0/a/30af7f3f7a4f0ccb56093757fb79b78707efe4cc.jpeg) ![not against wealth](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/a/b/2ab6089f60a64d93513a87efd89d3e711d0051d7.jpeg) ![eleanor divide and conquer](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/e/c/eec395b1d93443afd4b242ad04ccd9e2a5ce2993.jpeg) Edit: This video shows the spread potential from cell phone tracking of one small section of beach in FL. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/0/1/401e42f5e1c825a67314ebc04305323370810d47.jpeg "Tectonic GEO Spring Break 2020") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v91n5P22RJc) ---
**Author:** ![nonja121](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nonja121/32/52722_2.png) [@nonja121](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nonja121)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/77 "2020-04-07T16:18:44Z")
> [@beherenow](#): > > It wasn’t always this way. Yeah looking back, there seems to have been a sense of civil service and responsibility that doesn’t seem to exist at the same levels these days. I think there are some politicians on both sides of the aisles who still display this sense of responsibility and integrity, even if not to the same degree as Eisenhower or Roosevelt, but there are just so many others who are there simply to serve their own interests… ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/78 "2020-04-08T19:45:52Z")
Yeah. To me, leadership is serving everyone, and by that I mean at least the 90% of people who aren’t overtly crazy :wink: ---
**Author:** ![beherenow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/beherenow/32/125309_2.png) [@beherenow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/beherenow)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/79 "2020-04-09T16:36:39Z")
Listening to a news report last night, some people (I never heard who) were talking about ‘the bad one’ and that Covid19 was not it. I believe one was the author of World War Z, so I’m not sure how much was being sensationalized, but the group as a whole all thought this was a rehearsal and learning event for ‘the bad one’. This was a 50/50 mix of danger either coming from animals (as Covid 19 is believed to be) but also the danger of a release from a weapons grade bio lab. Accidental or intentional like Anthrax accidentally got out of a lab in the 80’s from inside the USSR. Makes me feel like we should take a step back and analyze more data from inside Wuhan before opening these markets and also the potential for lab escape. From what these people discussed, from being world wide insiders, the ‘bad one’ is not only presently possible it would have a 25%+ mortality rate minimum. That is what’s possible in labs today and much worse. They were not worried about conventional war any longer. > [@codinghorror](#): > > It’s true _in my opinion_ that **China really did cover up the scale of this thing in the beginning**. Presumably our intelligence orgs (and our US spies inside China, because you know we have them) saw what was actually happening It now seems the US had knowledge back in November of the outbreak and how China was hiding it. It was serious enough for them to sound the alarm here in several intel reports to multiple agencies. “Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event”. Some further reading if anyone is bored. > **[We Were Warned](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/pandemic-coronavirus-united-states-trump-cdc/608215/)** > > When the inevitable inquiry into the government's response to COVID-19 happens, it will conclude that signs of a coming crisis were everywhere. I didn’t know Max Brooks was Mel Brooks kid? But his philosophy of ‘look in the mirror’ for who to blame resonates with me and the old Zen philosophy. ‘Who is holding you back? Just look in the mirror’. > **['All Of This Panic Could Have Been Prevented': Author Max Brooks On COVID-19](https://www.npr.org/2020/03/24/820601571/all-of-this-panic-could-have-been-prevented-author-max-brooks-on-covid-19)** > > The World War Z novelist has done extensive research into real disaster preparedness. "There is no excuse not to mobilize the full forces of the federal government right now," he says. ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/80 "2020-04-09T17:00:02Z")
to be fair, the max brooks article is more of an opinion piece where he does not cite actual sources. and the atlantic has a bias tendency in its writing bent. however, there are facts in there. ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dodge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/roy_dodge/32/99408_2.png) [@Roy\_Dodge](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Roy_Dodge)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/81 "2020-04-09T17:17:28Z")
Thanks for pointing this out. Additionally, I’m not about to take too seriously a guy whose “expertise” is based on writing novels. I’ll listen to real scientists, doctors, etc., thank you. I’ve enjoyed Max Brooks’s writings, don’t get me wrong, but he’s not an authority on anything real. I’ve scoffed all along at people highlighting various predictions put forth one way or another over the past few decades about some great pandemic occurring sometime in the future. No ■■■■. It happens periodically, and it’d be foolhardy to think it impossible given the growing population of the world and our increasing interconnectedness. It’s easy to say that “there’s going to be some big disease outbreak someday.” ---
**Author:** ![MoosaK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moosak/32/116955_2.png) [@MoosaK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MoosaK)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/china-reopened-its-wet-markets-how-does-that-make-you-feel-closed/317858/82 "2020-04-09T18:10:47Z")
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