# Cheapest yoyo with hubstacks?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634
**Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation
**Created:** [April 23, 2010, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634 "2010-04-23T14:58:04Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@issuzark](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/issuzark)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2010, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/1 "2010-04-23T14:58:04Z")
Hey… What’s the cheapest yoyo around that comes with hubstacks/z-stacks out of the box? And is unresponsive? ;D please help?
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### Author:  [@newbee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/newbee)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/2 "2010-04-23T15:26:47Z")
I don’t know much yoyos but I THINK it’s the Hubstacked PGM , I don’t know what version it is though.
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### Author:  [@cbaxt98](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/cbaxt98)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/3 "2010-04-23T16:53:21Z")
YoyoFactory Grind Machine 2
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### Author:  [@Yummy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yummy)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/4 "2010-04-23T17:01:51Z")
No, the [Grind Machine 2](http://yoyowiki.org/wiki/YoYoFactory_Grind_Machine_2) retailed for around $100. The first stacked Plastic Grind Machine retailed for $45 and the second Plastic Grind Machine retailed for $30.
100\>30
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### Author:  [@quinton](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/quinton)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2010, 2:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/5 "2010-04-24T02:25:52Z")
Most duncan yoyos are hubstackable. And they go pretty cheap. But as for cominh with hubs, it’d be the Plastic Grind Machine
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### Author:  [@x52](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/x52)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/6 "2010-04-24T02:59:27Z")
The Grind Machine that they have here at Yoyoexpert. It is the second plastic version. It has hubstacks and is completely unresponsive. It is a great yoyo for intermediate to advanced players. It is around $30.00 and is a great yoyo!
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### Author:  [@issuzark](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/issuzark)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/7 "2010-04-24T15:20:24Z")
Oh okays. Thanks!
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### Author:  [@res01](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/res01)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/8 "2010-04-24T16:21:08Z")
mines coming today, cant wait to use hubstacks
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### Author:  [@issuzark](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/issuzark)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2010, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/9 "2010-04-25T04:25:01Z")
Pull starts be fun! XD
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### Author:  [@Shisaki417](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Shisaki417)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2010, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/10 "2010-04-25T04:49:34Z")
You shouldn’t get a yoyo JUST to use hubstacks…they get in the way of thumb grinds and get old in 30 minutes.
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### Author:  [@xXx\_Smiley\_xXx](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/xXx_Smiley_xXx)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/11 "2010-04-26T20:41:13Z")
Don’t forget about Aoda yoyos.All metal,and one of the cheapest on the market!
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### Author:  [@iAvery220](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/iAvery220)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2010, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/12 "2010-04-29T00:21:53Z")
YYF Grind Machine 2 Duh…
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### Author:  [@quinton](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/quinton)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/13 "2010-04-29T01:45:31Z")
> [@xXx\_Smiley\_xXx](#):
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> Don’t forget about Aoda yoyos.All metal,and one of the cheapest on the market!
And also kind of illegal in the US! lol :wink:
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### Author:  [@DYonch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DYonch)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/14 "2010-04-29T01:50:08Z")
> [@iAvery220](#):
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> YYF Grind Machine 2 Duh…
That is a metal and they don’t make them anymore. When they did they were over $100. I think what you mean is the PGM v2
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### Author:  [@Yo-am](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yo-am)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/15 "2010-04-29T04:00:02Z")
> [@Q](#):
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> > [@xXx\_Smiley\_xXx](#):
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> > Don’t forget about Aoda yoyos.All metal,and one of the cheapest on the market!
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> And also kind of illegal in the US! lol :wink:
how come?
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### Author:  [@quinton](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/quinton)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2010, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/cheapest-yoyo-with-hubstacks/13634/16 "2010-04-29T04:04:54Z")
Because in the US they infringe upon Dif-E-Yo and YYF patents on KK bearings and the use of hubstack designs