# buying first unresponsible yoyo **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Reviews\ **Created:** [May 17, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421 "2009-05-17T02:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kyroishie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@Kyroishie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kyroishie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/1 "2009-05-17T02:43:10Z")
what would be a better yoyo for me dark magic or black night (im just starting to learn advanced tricks) ---
**Author:** ![DaShiznit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dashiznit/32/62_2.png) [@DaShiznit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DaShiznit)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/2 "2009-05-17T02:52:52Z")
I would personally recommend the Hitman. It is very nice and used a double o-ring response system. Plays nice unresponsively and awesome spin times. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kim-Lan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kim-lan/32/16_2.png) [@Kim-Lan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kim-Lan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/3 "2009-05-17T03:20:29Z")
I think you mean unresponsive yo-yo. :wink: Neither yo-yo will necessarily be better. Which one is better for you will depend on your preferences and what you like in terms of shape, etc. Answer these questions to help us find what is best for you: 1. What size do you prefer? (Big, small, medium, etc) 2. What shape do you prefer? (Be specific: Round Butterfly, Flat Rims, pointy shape, H-Shape) 3. What response do you prefer? (Silicone, O-Ring, Hybrid, Pad, etc) 4. Do you like to mod/maintain it? 5. Does color matter? 6. How does your style relate to the yoyo? (What kind of tricks do you like to do?) 7. What is your price range? 8. What is your skill level? You already told us. ---
**Author:** ![Kyroishie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@Kyroishie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kyroishie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/4 "2009-05-17T03:39:21Z")
1.medium 2.concave 3.don’t really know only used o-ring’s 4.maintain 5.not really a cool color would be nice though 6.string tricks 7.40-55 thats with shipping included 8.what skill level would i be i think im somewhere around a 3 ---
**Author:** ![Kim-Lan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kim-lan/32/16_2.png) [@Kim-Lan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kim-Lan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/5 "2009-05-17T03:43:53Z")
What exactly do you mean by concave for the shape? ---
**Author:** ![Paolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Paolo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Paolo)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/6 "2009-05-17T04:00:30Z")
Be a little more specific,as kimlan said,what do you mean by concave,what do you mean by ‘‘cool color’’? If you are just loking for unresponsiveness,I reccomend the plastic grind machine,I think it can compete with any of those yoyos and the fact of hubstacks(if you choose to buy them of course)make it a bit better than those yoyos,simply awsome,but if you are not just looking for unresponsiveness ignore this. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![Ewski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Ewski](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ewski)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/7 "2009-05-17T04:13:30Z")
Out of the two it is a very tough choice. I’m gonna go with dark magic. ---
**Author:** ![Kyroishie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@Kyroishie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kyroishie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/8 "2009-05-17T04:59:08Z")
kind of like the 888 ---
**Author:** ![Kim-Lan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kim-lan/32/16_2.png) [@Kim-Lan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kim-Lan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/9 "2009-05-17T05:10:18Z")
Well, an 888 is wide and round. If you are looking at metal-rimmed YYJs, a Hitman or Black Knight could suit you well. Please note that they do not come unresponsive stock, but they do have a rounder shape. As gm user suggested, a Plastic Grind Machine could also be a good choice. It is cheaper than metal-rimmed YYJs and plays just as well or even better (that will mainly depend on the yo-yoer, though). It does come unresponsive stock and you’ll also get to experience a hubstacked yo-yo! Also, what yo-yos do you have? ---
**Author:** ![Kyroishie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@Kyroishie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kyroishie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/10 "2009-05-17T05:19:35Z")
what do you mean that they don’t come unresponsive (stock) How do you make them unresponsive?thanks How does the H-shape improve yo-yo play? ---
**Author:** ![Kim-Lan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kim-lan/32/16_2.png) [@Kim-Lan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kim-Lan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/11 "2009-05-17T05:33:38Z")
I mean that, at first, they will be responsive. To make them unresponsive there are several things you can do. You can break in the bearing by playing the yo-yo a lot, add a very tiny amount of thin lube, clean the bearing, shave the o-rings flush, etc. I would suggest just breaking in the bearing. A yo-yo with an h-shape has more rim weight. It gives better weight distribution and essentially longer spin times. ---
**Author:** ![DYonch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bc79bd/32.png) [@DYonch](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DYonch)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/12 "2009-05-17T05:33:57Z")
To make it unresponsive, you can either put thin-lube in the bearing, or put shims/spacers in the yoyo. Thin lube… [http://yoyoexpert.com/product/yoyojam/thin-lube/](http://yoyoexpert.com/product/yoyojam/thin-lube/) Shims… [http://yoyoexpert.com/product/yoyojam/shims/index.php](http://yoyoexpert.com/product/yoyojam/shims/index.php) How to apply thin lube… > **[YoYoExpert.com - Maintenance - Yo-Yo Lube](https://yoyoexpert.com/learn/410-maintenance-lube.php)** > > Watch free yo-yo trick videos, learn from professional yo-yo players, and buy yo-yos from the YoYo Expert! How to put in shims… > **[YoYoExpert.com - Maintenance - Spacers](https://yoyoexpert.com/learn/409-maintenance-spacers.php)** > > Watch free yo-yo trick videos, learn from professional yo-yo players, and buy yo-yos from the YoYo Expert! Some yoyos have adjustable gaps, so you can make them slightly less responsive… > **[YoYoExpert.com - Maintenance - Adjustable Gaps](https://yoyoexpert.com/learn/408-maintenance-adjusting-gaps.php)** > > Watch free yo-yo trick videos, learn from professional yo-yo players, and buy yo-yos from the YoYo Expert! An H-Shape can be nice for some people, but it is all really about personal preference. ---
**Author:** ![Kyroishie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@Kyroishie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kyroishie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/13 "2009-05-17T05:48:55Z")
what is the difference between the thick and thin lube ---
**Author:** ![Kim-Lan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kim-lan/32/16_2.png) [@Kim-Lan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kim-Lan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/14 "2009-05-17T05:52:30Z")
Thick Lube makes a yo-yo more responsive. Thin Lube can break down factory lube in a bearing to make it unresponsive. ---
**Author:** ![Kyroishie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@Kyroishie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kyroishie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/15 "2009-05-17T06:02:36Z")
What is the difference between thick a thin shims?thanks ---
**Author:** ![Kim-Lan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kim-lan/32/16_2.png) [@Kim-Lan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kim-Lan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/16 "2009-05-17T06:06:23Z")
One is thicker, one is thinner. Thicker shims will give a wider gap than thinner ones. In my opinion, you don’t really need shims, though. ---
**Author:** ![Suffix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@Suffix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Suffix)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/17 "2009-05-18T22:44:26Z")
I would recommend the Dark Magic. It was my first yoyo and it’s awesome!!! ;D ---
**Author:** ![yocrazygoofy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yocrazygoofy/32/87_2.png) [@yocrazygoofy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yocrazygoofy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/18 "2009-05-21T18:27:24Z")
And i’ve read that shims slow down the yoyo although I do not think so. ---
**Author:** ![yoyo\_kid\_easttown\_GR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyo_kid_easttown_gr/32/123_2.png) [@yoyo\_kid\_easttown\_GR](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo_kid_easttown_GR)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/19 "2009-05-21T19:28:34Z")
I have a GM and a DM and personaly I think I would go with the GM, it has good spin and smooth play and completely unresponsive out of the box. It is also very cheap and comes with 4 weight rings if you want it heavier. I would go with the version 2 GM with hubstacks at YYN for $35 shipping included. (It has a better surface for grinding) ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421/20 "2009-05-21T20:31:02Z")
> [@yoyo kid eastown GR](#): > > I have a GM and a DM and personaly I think I would go with the GM, it has good spin and smooth play and completely unresponsive out of the box. It is also very cheap and comes with 4 weight rings if you want it heavier. I would go with the version 2 GM with hubstacks at YYN YYE for $35 shipping included. (It has a better surface for grinding) We love Yoyoexpert 🙂 So for that reason, it is preferred that you do not link to other stores regarding a product you can get here. Addment: Remember that YYE is also a store trying to earn money. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/buying-first-unresponsible-yoyo/2421.md?page=2)