# Breathe?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [April 25, 2014, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710 "2014-04-25T15:26:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/1 "2014-04-25T15:26:24Z")
Does anyone know anything about the Breathe, from a company called Innovative YoYo Concepts?
I saw it on another site that is overseas, but I do not seem to find anything about it here. The seller says it is made in the USA. It is looks like a very interesting design. Anyone played one?
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### Author:  [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/2 "2014-04-25T15:34:15Z")
Haven’t played one. YoyoNews mentioned that it is machined by One Drop.
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### Author:  [@naoki](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/naoki)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/3 "2014-04-25T15:36:29Z")
It’s highly inspired by Tomymoonly and Ettore’s works
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/5/6/456d11b04499c1599019b00e7c99cbeeb7fb0e7e.jpeg "A "tribute to Ettore"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQJYMzCpi90)
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkkcxVYLkbE)
I’m curious to know how this plays though, I mean, it doesn’t look really aerodynamic to me.
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### Author:  [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/4 "2014-04-25T15:45:16Z")
Meh. Aerodynamics are a pretty small factor for yoyos once the basic criteria are met. If the venting caused too much air resistance the yoyo wouldn’t have made it to production run, they would have revised until I did.
I sincerely doubt there is a true aerodynamics problem with the design.
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### Author:  [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/5 "2014-04-25T15:57:15Z")
Will it be coming to YoyoExpert?
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### Author:  [@Bina](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bina)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/6 "2014-04-25T16:05:23Z")
Quote from one USA yoyo shop.
I found it interesting, he used 3D CAD program and now want to patent his system.
> [@](#):
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> The Breathe yoyo from Innovative YoYo Concepts is one of our most exciting introductions in a very long time. Why? Because it was designed by Ian Cole, who has done so many of our yoyo demonstration videos at xyz
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> Ian is a top yoyo player, having placed as high as 2nd at the US Nationals and 9th at the World Yoyo Contest. But in his professional life, he is a designer. In fact, he’s working on his master’s degree in architecture right now.
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> One of the first things you notice about the Breathe is the cutouts. The Breathe is the first yoyo manufactured through cuts in the X, Y and Z dimensions. Other yoyos only use the X and Y dimensions. This technique is so innovative that Ian has a patent pending for the method of design.
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> With the manufacture of most yoyos, the CNC machine is run using a CAD (computer aided design) program. But CAD leads to a flat, X and Y only type of design. So Ian used a 3D modeling program called Rhino that is often used in architecture and jewelry design. Which gives you an idea of the complexity and beauty of this yoyo.
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> We asked Ian some questions about the Breathe.
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> Q: What’s up with the surface feel and the flat coloring of the Breathe? How did you get that, and what’s the significance?
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> A: “The finish of the Breathe is raw grit blasted aluminum with no anodizing or color treatment. The finish, even if it seems like a minor decision, has a lot to do with the yoyo and IYYC. (warning: this is the architect in me talking) One of the things that inspired me to start Innovative YoYo Concepts was the trend I was seeing in high end metal yoyos over the past few years.
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> Every new yoyo would be released and say “groundbreaking new design” but all I could see was a different color combination on the same yoyo. I wanted to design something that was truly groundbreaking and unique regardless of what colors are splashed on at the end. This is why the Breathe has no finish; in the eyes of IYYC the shape and design of the Breathe is so unique that any color or finish would be unnecessary and would distract from the intention of the yoyo.”
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> Q: Tell us the story behind the design.
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> A: The yoyo went through a number of prototypes, which was difficult because for most of the year I live about 6 hours from the manufacturer. Throughout the design and manufacturing I had to plan meeting with the manufacturer to check up when I was in town. We had an agreement that I would be there to supervise and collaborate throughout as much of the manufacturing as possible. When it came to the final production, I would go the machine shop at 6 am and spend the entire day problem solving and/or testing for quality.
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> I personally oversaw and packaged every yoyo in this limited edition series of just 80 Breathe yoyos that were made. I don’t know if there has ever been a production of yoyos as hands on as this one. I was particular on every detail, even things like the letters on the wax seal or the paper that goes into the packaging. I think this is what makes the Breathe so special; it is the love and attention to every detail that most people will never know about.
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> Breathe Yoyo Product Details:
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> Diameter: 54.9 mm
> Width: 45.5 mm
> String gap: 3.75 mm
> Weight: 60 grams
> Bearing: One Drop C-type 10-ball bearing
> Response: One Drop silicone sticker
> Material: 6061-T651 aluminum
> String: Type 6 Polyester, purple.
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### Author:  [@Jdrabik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jdrabik)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/7 "2014-04-25T16:15:04Z")
I kind of hope that the patent fails…
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### Author:  [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/8 "2014-04-25T16:27:34Z")
Apparently he has never heard of the radian super light since it also has cuts along the z dimension
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### Author:  [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/9 "2014-04-25T17:08:01Z")
Those specs are different than the ones published at another store. I like them better. :wink:
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### Author:  [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/10 "2014-04-25T18:47:35Z")
A patent pending on what? Using 3D modeling software to design a yoyo? What is novel about that? I will have to think a bit before I commit my $ to that cause.
I just cannot see how ANY yoyo patent has been good for the yoyo industry; or yoyo players.
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### Author:  [@Bina](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bina)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/11 "2014-04-25T18:51:11Z")
I truly have no clear idea what exactly he wants to patent, here is quote
> [@](#):
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> The Breathe is the first yoyo to use IYYC’s patent pending “Tectonically Structured YoYo” system; a new technique of machining non-solid aluminum bodied yoyo halves.
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### Author:  [@Yoyo\_Kangaroo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo_Kangaroo)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/12 "2014-04-25T19:46:14Z")
I hope that patent fails. Cuts along the Z-axis are not new or innovative. For example:
> **[BIST Stradivari](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/BIST_Stradivari)**
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> The Stradivari is a one-of-a-kind yo-yo entered into the mod contest at the 2009 world yo-yo contest by Ettore Ferro. It was later used as a prize at the California state competition.
Edit: more:
[?file=RooYo_%284%29.jpeg) ](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Roo-Yo_(yo-yo)?file=RooYo_%284%29.jpeg)
SPYY six-shooter holes:
> **[Saturn El Ranchero](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Saturn_El_Ranchero)**
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> The SPYY El Ranchero From SPYY's website El Ranchero Specifications: Diameter: 55mm Weight: 68g Width: 42mm Gap Width: 4.0mm Bearing Size: stainless steel, large “C”, dry Response: CBC slim pads (accepts flowable silicone) String: yellow 100%...
Dif yoyos have engraved hubs:
> **[Dif-e-Yo Bone Chip](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Dif-e-Yo_Bone_Chip)**
>
> The Bone Chip by Dif-e-Yo is a a smaller version of the popular BareBones, but with a thinner GTO-like profile. The yo-yo is not just a scaled-down Bare Bones, rather it was completely re-designed and machined for the smaller size. Review was done...
Custom does a lot of this:
> **[Custom MAG](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Custom_MAG)**
>
> The Mag series by Custom Products in Gilbert, Arizona was a popular model of high-end metal yo-yo's in the late 1990's during the yo-yo boom. The Mag was unique from its the others, as the different models had intricate rotationally symmetrical...
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/13 "2014-04-25T20:00:53Z")
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Upz567BFI8)
Seriously, one Badd Man.
I love that guy… He is the Dr.Franken-einstein of yoyo concepts
Can you spell awesome?
Here, I’ll help you\>\>\> Start with a Cap and finish with Caps. AWESOME.
ok, he might be ‘out there’…
But that is just ‘1’ of his Outstanding BrainBuilt Creations. His design processing is Masterful.
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### Author:  [@kyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kyo)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/14 "2014-04-25T20:44:34Z")
Wow… that write up is chock full of bull\*\*\*\*.
Hype is one thing, but there are some outright lies in that.
> [@Bína](#):
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> One of the first things you notice about the Breathe is the cutouts. The Breathe is the first yoyo manufactured through cuts in the X, Y and Z dimensions. Other yoyos only use the X and Y dimensions. This technique is so innovative that Ian has a patent pending for the method of design.
Except for all those other yo-yos who have done it for a very, very long time. Among many other examples, you have this, which I made and showed at worlds in 2009. [http://kyostoys.com/content/bnest1.jpg](http://kyostoys.com/content/bnest1.jpg)
If any attempt is actually made to patent this idea, I’ll actively fight it, and I’ll make sure others do as well.
> [@Bína](#):
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> With the manufacture of most yoyos, the CNC machine is run using a CAD (computer aided design) program. But CAD leads to a flat, X and Y only type of design. So Ian used a 3D modeling program called Rhino that is often used in architecture and jewelry design. Which gives you an idea of the complexity and beauty of this yoyo.
LOADS of companies use 3d CAD models, myself included… dating all the way back to 2003. Solidworks is very commonly used among yo-yo designers, and it’s primarily a fully 3d program. Many of us even go much further and do real simulation and virtual performance testing using the extremely advanced physics simulators solidworks has.
There is a ton of hype in there, which is fine… but don’t lie to people.
Kyle
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### Author:  [@modman10](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/modman10)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/15 "2014-04-25T21:16:38Z")
> [@kyo](#):
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> Wow… that write up is chock full of bull\*\*\*\*.
>
> Hype is one thing, but there are some outright lies in that.
>
> Except for all those other yo-yos who have done it for a very, very long time. Among many other examples, you have this, which I made and showed at worlds in 2009. [http://kyostoys.com/content/bnest1.jpg](http://kyostoys.com/content/bnest1.jpg)
>
> If any attempt is actually made to patent this idea, I’ll actively fight it, and I’ll make sure others do as well.
>
> LOADS of companies use 3d CAD models, myself included… dating all the way back to 2003. Solidworks is very commonly used among yo-yo designers, and it’s primarily a fully 3d program. Many of us even go much further and do real simulation and virtual performance testing using the extremely advanced physics simulators solidworks has.
>
> There is a ton of hype in there, which is fine… but don’t lie to people.
>
> Kyle
Let me know if i can help fight it.
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### Author:  [@NathanC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NathanC)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/16 "2014-04-25T21:28:02Z")
> [@YoyoGeezer](#):
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> Will it be coming to YoyoExpert?
There’s another US store selling them if you’re interested. Personally it doesn’t do much for me. I think cut outs are awesome and really really want to see more yoyos with them, but this design in particular doesn’t thrill me in any way.
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [April 25, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/17 "2014-04-25T23:35:20Z")
> [@GregP](#):
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> Haven’t played one. YoyoNews mentioned that it is machined by One Drop.
One Drop had absolutely nothing to do with ‘machining the Breath Yoyo’.
JFYInformation
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### Author:  [@qpwoei12](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/qpwoei12)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/18 "2014-04-26T03:00:01Z")
Let’s be honest here. Tell me how any yoyo manufacturer could possibly use a 2d CAD design to create something so precise as a yoyo. Not “innovative” at all.
Also, I don’t see how huge cutouts like those would make me want to buy it. Seems like it would just be a nuisance when trying to catch string.
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### Author:  [@GregP](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregP)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2014, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/19 "2014-04-26T03:10:29Z")
> [@yoyodoc](#):
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> One Drop had absolutely nothing to do with ‘machining the Breath Yoyo’.
>
> JFYInformation
Cool. It doesn’t matter either way… but good information is the best information. Even on YoyoNews, the actual quote was this:
“The yoyo is machined in the US, and uses One Drop’s bearing and response so it’s a safe bet that it probably came out of their machine shop, which speaks well to the quality.”
The part about “it’s a safe bet” means that it was just speculation anyhow.
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### Author:  [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2014, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/breathe/65710/20 "2014-04-26T03:47:58Z")
Could OneDrop confirm/not confirm this?
I mean; is it a secret?
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