# Brainstorming a Ti-Vayder logo **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [March 9, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/brainstorming-a-ti-vayder-logo/299841 "2019-03-09T02:55:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 59
**Author:** ![eternalmetal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eternalmetal/32/44877_2.png) [@eternalmetal](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/eternalmetal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/brainstorming-a-ti-vayder-logo/299841/59 "2019-03-10T18:49:30Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > I think the folks who feel that Jeff is–or was– _stealing_ something need to recalibrate their perspective a bit. The folks who feel that Jeff was failing to _respect_ Heath’s creative efforts according to the social contract are perhaps closer to the truth. But since Heath is involved now, there is no reason for any outrage. When you take a previously designed object and accurately copy its design (he meticulously measured actual Ti-Walkers), you are inevitably stealing the design. China is known for doing this type of thing on a grand scale in many different fields, and I don’t think anyone would refer to them as anything other than stolen designs. Copies. Knockoffs. The only thing they don’t do is try to improve upon the original, and that is literally the only difference in this case. Id agree that things look like they are moving along more smoothly and rightly, but this lack of respect for Heath’s design would only have been possible because of his scarred past. I don’t think people should fool themselves, and im saying this in respect to similar things that may happen in the future: this is design theft and SHOULD be frowned upon despite the intentions. Original designers should be respected. Get their consent before you begin projects like this. > [@TeeJay](#): > > Lol you’re logic is flawed in far too many places for next to address each instance directly. If you want to call me out on flawed logic, please do so. I think you are the one with an illogical perspective. > [@TeeJay](#): > > So all these companies making aluminum, ball bearing yoyos, with silicone response pads, removable axles with blasted and anod finishes should stop stealing intellectual property right? I mean they copied all of these vital components from someone else no? > > Because rhe first guy to come up with these designs seems to have been screwed way more than someone who copied the entire blueprint from someone else, but adjusted the diameter and width by a couple mm Dude, this yoyo so blatantly and intentionally copies the Ti-Walker design in a way that is practically a reproduction. This is not a yoyo that was designed to be anything other than a Ti-Walker clone with minor adjustments. Taking influence from (like what most yoyo manufacturers do) is not the same thing as directly copying a design. > [@The Ti-Vayder Experience](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1): > > We’ve been meticulous and demanding in being as faithful as possible to the timeless magic of Heath’s original Ti-Walker design Here is the evidence for intent. Just look at the rest of the post. The entire point of it was to re-create the Ti-Walker. This is so damn obvious that I feel like a sailor trying to convince his crew that the ocean is made of water. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/brainstorming-a-ti-vayder-logo/299841)._