# Binding My Kilter 2
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [October 3, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062 "2016-10-03T12:48:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 8
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### Author:  [@Morgoroth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Morgoroth)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062/1 "2016-10-03T12:48:47Z")
I love my Kilter 2.
It’s a great throw.
But, I’ve noticed that it’s been binding weird lately.
It’s probably just me, but every now and then, it seems to get knotty binds that you have to throw a couple times to get out.
It’s not snaggy, or loose. It’s just the binds are…weird.
I’ll throw it some and see if I can describe it better.
Anyway, my question is has anyone experienced this with grooved bearings?
The main difference between my Kilter 2 and other throws, is the grooved bearing.
Maybe I need to do something different when binding with it? Maybe be more careful or something.
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### Author:  [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2016, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062/2 "2016-10-03T14:57:17Z")
I have a Kilter and don’t have any issues with any bearings.
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### Author:  [@Morgoroth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Morgoroth)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062/3 "2016-10-03T15:44:22Z")
> [@andy569](#):
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> I have a Kilter and don’t have any issues with any bearings.
I’m sure it’s just me.
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### Author:  [@Jdrabik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jdrabik)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062/4 "2016-10-03T16:30:57Z")
There’s a chance it has to do with your string. I’ve found that old, dirty strings are more prone to knots or tangles.
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### Author:  [@Morgoroth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Morgoroth)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062/5 "2016-10-03T16:46:19Z")
You know the string isn’t to banded up, but it is really old.
Maybe the tension from leaving it wound on the yoyo for a long time could do it?
I’ll try a new one and see what happens.
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### Author:  [@Morgoroth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Morgoroth)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062/6 "2016-10-05T18:24:51Z")
> [@yoyodoc](#):
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> Curious? How old (to you) is a really old string?
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> Realize that there are only several things to recognize that could be responsible for binding problems: your technique, the bearing, the string, the response system, lube or amount of lube the shape of the yoyo close to the bearing. … Or a combination of possibly 2 of those choices.
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> First thing I do when I’m getting a funny bind with a yoyo is to take a string off any other yoyo that is binding perfectly just to see if there is an improvement?
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> Also there are so many types of string now; that the string you are using might just not ‘jive’ with the rest of your rig.(like using the wrong shoes to play tennis or basketball).
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> A New string is going to better center you in your bind investigation. You need to choose a starting point and then play Mister Potatohead while switching stuff around.
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> An OLD string is not a good start. Super dry or super oily bearing; also notgood recipe.
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> Sometimes a centering bearing with a groove will provide very inconsistent binds. Sometimes with binding; you actually want the string not to be locked in the center. A string that can move sideways quickly can help
> Fascilitate a good locking bind. Center groove bearings functionality is over-rated. Especially if you keep higher string tension. The string loop is literally a hangmans noise around the bearing. A solid centered string is not a bind friendly situation for most general binds.
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> After using a fresher or new string; try swapping out the groove bearing for any other bearing; center track or Dif type of Flat One Drop. Take a bearing from another excellent binding yoyo and see if anything improves.
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> It wont(shouldn’t) take long to get your yoyo to bind better.
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> I gotta feed my cats, lol🤓 I’ll be back in a awhile with a lot more ideas…
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> Meanwhile start with a newer string and then any good working non grooved bearing.
Thanks!
The string doesn’t have much play time on it compared to how far I run them(5 hours?)
But, it has been wound around the yoyo with tension on it for a couple months.
I’ll try out the rest of your suggestions and see if it helps, but right now my Skyva has distracted me 😃
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### Author:  [@Chief\_B33f](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Chief_B33f)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062/7 "2016-10-05T18:43:08Z")
I agree it may be your string. I am using some really bitey kitty string on my C3 accelerator and I get the same stuff happening. WHen I use this super old string that is a bit thicker and softer and it doesn’t happen. I need some different string. This kitty stuff burns too. It’s great for whips and slacks though.
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### Author:  [@Morgoroth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Morgoroth)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/binding-my-kilter-2/82062/8 "2016-10-06T12:31:17Z")
Thanks for the help!
I think I sorted it out.
The string helped and also for some reason I think it had to do with my snap starts.
That’s when it mostly did the weirdness.
Same snap start I do with all my other throws, but you know.
Now I’ll just be a little more careful with this one.