# Beware of Burchard
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976
**Category:** Traders Feedback
**Created:** [April 13, 2025, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976 "2025-04-13T05:35:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/1 "2025-04-13T05:35:24Z")
I was talking to another thrower on here and he informed me I should make a separate thread for this instead of changing the title of his original feedback thread.
I ordered a Mustang from Burchard that arrived early March. I asked for a refund when I found out it was a Mustang ES on March 6th. He claims he didn’t know even though he has a bunch of normal Mustangs to compare. He said I could have a refund but he didn’t have the money at the moment so I waited. I contacted him weekly over the last month but he still couldn’t refund me. He informed me I should list the yoyo on the BST so I don’t have to ship it back to him and that was the final straw for me. $400 is a lot for anything especially when it’s not what you ordered.
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/2 "2025-04-13T07:02:14Z")
I bought it from Eddiejia I am used to trusting people I bought it for 700$ from him he said it was a mustang og
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/3 "2025-04-13T07:04:22Z")
You throw around very loud words accusing me of deception, although you yourself confirmed otherwise in personal messages.
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### Author:  [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/5 "2025-04-13T17:36:46Z")
I have had good experience selling to @Burchard. I can see both sides of this situation. The seller may not have known it was an ES and may not have the funds to refund your purchase. On the other hand, you paid for an OG Mustang; so you should get an OG Mustang.
Whatever the facts, it does not seem fair for @burchard to ask the buyer to assume the burden of selling. You, however, should pay to return the yo-yo if that is your choice.
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/6 "2025-04-13T17:38:54Z")
so i suggested a solution, as soon as i have enough money i will buy it back. and also asked to put this mustang up for sale, maybe this request will be faster and it would solve my situation
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/7 "2025-04-13T17:39:58Z")
> [@YoyoGeezer](#):
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> I have had good experience selling to @Burchard. I can see both sides of this situation. The seller may not have known it was an ES and may not have the funds to refund your purchase. On the other hand, you paid for an OG Mustang; so you should get an OG Mustang.
I did not refuse to return the goods. So I presented evidence that I bought this mustang as a OG for $700 last year from eddiejia
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/8 "2025-04-13T17:40:42Z")
I always go to meet my customers
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### Author:  [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/9 "2025-04-13T18:03:21Z")
I’ve had a bunch of good transactions with Burchard in the past without any issues. This is the only one that has been a problem. I’m not sure how long I should have waited for a refund but I felt like a month was a good amount of time. He was always quick to communicate and informed me he would refund me, but I just had no idea when that would be. I understand it’s a frustrating situation for both of us, but it seems like nothing was getting fixed.
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### Author:  [@tropical\_vibes](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tropical_vibes)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/10 "2025-04-13T18:43:47Z")
Just curious as to the thought process … why should the buyer pay the return cost when the error wasn’t his to begin with?
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/11 "2025-04-13T18:48:51Z")
And did anyone tell the buyer about this?
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/12 "2025-04-13T18:49:17Z")
> [@tropical\_vibes](#):
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> Just curious as to the thought process … why should the buyer pay the return cost when the error wasn’t his to begin with?
Did you read everything correctly?
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/13 "2025-04-13T18:52:02Z")
> [@yoyojoe](#):
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> I’ve had a bunch of good transactions with Burchard in the past without any issues. This is the only one that has been a problem. I’m not sure how long I should have waited for a refund but I felt like a month was a good amount of time. He was always quick to communicate and informed me he would refund me, but I just had no idea when that would be. I understand it’s a frustrating situation for both of us, but it seems like nothing was getting fixed.
I have already collected more than half the amount and asked you for the service of simply putting the mustang up for sale, so that after I return the funds I don’t have to send the mustang back. Because the delivery will cost $60. I also made concessions to you and made a good price for the yo-yo
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/14 "2025-04-13T18:53:05Z")
I didn’t want to deceive you in any way, I provided evidence that I took this mustang from Eddiejia as a mustang og
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/15 "2025-04-13T18:53:48Z")
You accuse me of slander, this is also not true
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### Author:  [@mikeydoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mikeydoe)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/16 "2025-04-13T18:59:43Z")
Honest mistakes happen
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### Author:  [@Burchard](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Burchard)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2025, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/17 "2025-04-13T19:02:35Z")
I’ve always been used to trusting people and when I bought this Mustang, I was sure that it was an OG, but I didn’t see that this Mustang was an ES version.
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### Author:  [@tropical\_vibes](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tropical_vibes)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2025, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/20 "2025-04-14T01:01:28Z")
I was responding to YoyoGeezer’s comment, where he said to the buyer that he “should pay to return the yo-yo if that is [his] choice.”
Shipping cost of $60 seems pretty crazy, so I can appreciate your efforts for creative resolution. If buyer feels you are trying to foist responsibility to sell on him, why not create a FS post yourself and ensure payment goes direct to him (if you haven’t been able to repay him before that)?
EDIT: Just saw that buyer posted it for sale, so hopefully the two of you are more or less aligned.
By the way, I don’t think anyone is disagreeing that this was an honest mistake.
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### Author:  [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/21 "2025-04-14T18:18:34Z")
This whole transaction soured the yoyo even more for me so I just want to get rid of it. @tropical_vibes
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/22 "2025-04-14T18:50:16Z")
> [@tropical\_vibes](#):
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> By the way, I don’t think anyone is disagreeing that this was an honest mistake.
I would pretty much agree on that. It seems to have obviously been an honest mistake.
But that taken into consideration, all you guys must realize something and recognize something. All mistakes started at the beginning.
It wasn’t Burchards intention to buy the wrong yo-yo. But that being understood, he should face the reality that as unintentional as it may have been, he sold yo-yo Joe the wrong yo-yo.
I don’t care how you wanna cut it or how you wanna explain it, yo-yo Joe ended up with Burchards $400 mistake.
This has nothing to do with Burchard being sneaky or anything. This has nothing to do with someone intentionally mislabeling a yo-yo to sell it
But the reality of the situation is simple. Yo-yo Joe didn’t get what he paid for. As unwittingly as the process may have been, in this situation yo-yo Joe has no responsibility in initiating a solution to the problem.
I’ve been following this thread And counting on Burchard doing the right thing? But sadly, thats obviously not happening.
It seemed like the easier solution was to just say that Eddie sold him the wrong yo-yo in the first place and remove himself from any responsibility to make things right.
Nope….. It doesn’t work that way. And trying to think of some kind of alternate solution because the shipping is expensive, well that’s weak.
Being the middleman on a yo-yo, that’s changing hands does not remove you from the culpability of your responsibility to Correct the mistake..
Burchard Is fully responsible to handle this at whatever cost.
And he should do it as quick as possible. Even if he has to make a cash advance on a credit card to get Joe’s money. It doesn’t matter how he has to do it. It’s all on him. Including the shipping. Why? \>\> glad you asked\>
He advertises a yo-yo. Yo-yo Joe bought it. He sent yo-yo Joe the wrong yo-yo. Yo-yo Joe tells him hey this isn’t a regular Mustang. This is an ES.So Burchard Tells him well that’s the yo-yo that I bought from this guy thinking it was a regular Mustang?
To suggest that he bought it originally not knowing that it was the wrong one is fine. Even the guy Eddie… That he bought it from maybe he wasn’t bright enough to know what the heck it was? But the end result is the middleman ended up with the incorrect yo-yo. That in no way creates any justification to Pass the problem to yo-yo Joe.
I wasn’t gonna say anything. I just counted on Burchard handling this the way he should have.
But now I see yo-yo Joe is frustrated to the point of trying to sell the yo-yo himself. Which is pretty much ridiculous. He shouldn’t have to sell it himself. He didn’t make the mistake.
And I know at least one or two people are gonna respond to my post and try to put up some type of a groundless argument. At this point, it doesn’t matter what you say. Because yo-yo Joe shouldn’t have to be trying to resell that yo-yo himself.
Yo-yo Joe’s only mistake was believing that Burchard Was sending him the regular Mustang that he paid for.
They don’t need to team up on a solution to this situation. The solution should be fully provided by.Burchard.
A sellers reputation should be worth more than $400.
Not stepping up is not a good look.
Sorry you are getting hosed on this Joe.
….. if the roles were reversed in this situation… Yo-yo, Joe would correct the problem in less than a week… And probably less than that. He would jump on it like a trampoline. Because he would know that that’s not a feeling that you wanna have. To be the person making a mistake or the person on the receiving end of the mistake.
A sad situation, which could’ve been corrected by Burchard Before it got this far.
If you don’t like my take on the subject, then you don’t know a damn thing about how to make a deal.
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### Author:  [@tropical\_vibes](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tropical_vibes)
#### Post date: [April 15, 2025, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/beware-of-burchard/422976/23 "2025-04-15T01:32:19Z")
Misunderstood your original post and thought you were saying that it was the buyer’s responsibility to cover return shipment.
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