# Best throw for learning new tricks (especially tech)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [June 7, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713 "2016-06-07T14:05:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![yitzman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e480ec/32.png) [@yitzman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yitzman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/1 "2016-06-07T14:05:46Z")
Im looking for a new throw to learn complex tricks on that requires the yoyo to remain extremely stable and long spinning while I try new ideas, without the yoyo dying out. For example I just learned rancid milk and it was kinda hard when I was confused what to do and it kept dying on me. I know no yoyo is going to spin forever but I just want the best I can get. Also there is this 15% off sale now, I want to know how often do other sales like this take place, and do the discounts get better than 15%? ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzwad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fuzzwad/32/1633_2.png) [@Fuzzwad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Fuzzwad)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/2 "2016-06-07T14:08:20Z")
Bi-metals seem to be made exactly for this purpose. Go check some out. CLYW’s new ones seem to be getting a TON of love, and there are some YYFs that aren’t too expensive. ---
**Author:** ![GregB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/da6949/32.png) [@GregB](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GregB)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/3 "2016-06-07T16:11:56Z")
> [@yitzman](#): > > Also there is this 15% off sale now, I want to know how often do other sales like this take place, and do the discounts get better than 15%? Not really. 15% is pretty darn good. Especially since it applies to whatever you want to buy right now. The yearly “Mystery Box” deal runs about 50% off, but you don’t know what you’re getting until they ship. You always get something amazing and well worth your money but it’s still a mystery and it’s only once a year. So yeah, grab the 15% deal while you can. ---
**Author:** ![yitzman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e480ec/32.png) [@yitzman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yitzman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/4 "2016-06-07T16:17:00Z")
> [@GregB](#): > > Not really. 15% is pretty darn good. Especially since it applies to whatever you want to buy right now. The yearly “Mystery Box” deal runs about 50% off, but you don’t know what you’re getting until they ship. You always get something amazing and well worth your money but it’s still a mystery and it’s only once a year. > > So yeah, grab the 15% deal while you can. Thanks for letting me know! ---
**Author:** ![AngryGumball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/angrygumball/32/683872_2.png) [@AngryGumball](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AngryGumball)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/5 "2016-06-07T16:37:48Z")
Firrox has crazy amount of stability, find that I’ve been able to explore/create/learn at my own pace and found that it still returns with enough spin. It is a slightly wider yoyo (large catch zone) but I think this could be a worthy throw. The Firrox’s extreme H-shape adds to the stability too and holds pretty well at low RPMs. There’s also the iYoyo Steel and the YYF Space Cowboy which are slightly narrower making it a bit easier on tech tricks. If you want to save some cash, you might consider checking out the Vanguard which is also an H-shape and quite stable as it has most of its weight in the rims. ---
**Author:** ![yitzman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e480ec/32.png) [@yitzman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yitzman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/6 "2016-06-07T17:20:08Z")
> [@AngryGumball](#): > > Firrox has crazy amount of stability, find that I’ve been able to explore/create/learn at my own pace and found that it still returns with enough spin. It is a slightly wider yoyo (large catch zone) but I think this could be a worthy throw. The Firrox’s extreme H-shape adds to the stability too and holds pretty well at low RPMs. > > There’s also the iYoyo Steel and the YYF Space Cowboy which are slightly narrower making it a bit easier on tech tricks. > > If you want to save some cash, you might consider checking out the Vanguard which is also an H-shape and quite stable as it has most of its weight in the rims. Lol I have the firrox already, but I figure something heavier would work even better. What do you think is best out of, start the riot, oracle, and steel? ---
**Author:** ![AngryGumball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/angrygumball/32/683872_2.png) [@AngryGumball](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AngryGumball)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/7 "2016-06-07T17:35:04Z")
Honestly, out of all of these, I think the Firrox takes the cake. Do yourself a favor though and get an Oracle, they’re a lot of fun! ---
**Author:** ![yitzman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e480ec/32.png) [@yitzman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yitzman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/8 "2016-06-07T17:36:32Z")
> [@AngryGumball](#): > > Honestly, out of all of these, I think the Firrox takes the cake. Do yourself a favor though and get an Oracle, they’re a lot of fun! You think the oracle performs better than riot and steel, or it is just unique? ---
**Author:** ![Cannon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Cannon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Cannon)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/9 "2016-06-07T17:38:45Z")
Nobunaga is extremely stable. I wasn’t a massive fan of it though personally. ---
**Author:** ![TripleOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@TripleOne](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TripleOne)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-throw-for-learning-new-tricks-especially-tech/80713/10 "2016-06-07T21:54:39Z")
As mentioned earlier by Fuzzwad, bi-metals are great for learning new and complex tricks. They spin for a very long time and are very stable, plus they look cool 😃