# Best players to never win a national or world title **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 29, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659 "2013-09-29T01:06:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Casey888](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Casey888](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Casey888)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/22 "2013-10-02T04:30:49Z")
John Narum. One of the best players I’ve ever met. If he focuses on 1a a bit more he has worlds in the bag. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoJordan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyojordan/32/123867_2.png) [@YoYoJordan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoJordan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/23 "2013-10-02T04:47:01Z")
> [@kclejeune](#): > > John Narum. One of the best players I’ve ever met. If he focuses on 1a a bit more he has worlds in the bag. He’s technically won Worlds 4A before… ---
**Author:** ![Casey888](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Casey888](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Casey888)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/24 "2013-10-02T10:30:30Z")
> [@YoYoJordan](#): > > He’s technically won Worlds 4A before… True, but he retired from 4a. ---
**Author:** ![stuarttw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/25 "2013-10-02T16:46:58Z")
Ben Conde 4a nationals ---
**Author:** ![Nathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathan/32/191605_2.png) [@Nathan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nathan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/26 "2013-10-02T17:37:29Z")
Mark Montgomery and Adam Dennehy ---
**Author:** ![Snafu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/snafu/32/1399_2.png) [@Snafu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Snafu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/27 "2013-10-02T18:02:30Z")
> [@Nathan](#): > > Mark Montgomery and Adam Dennehy It was said earlier that Mark did technically win a title. Look back over these two pages you’ll find it. And I thought André did win. If not then I’d like to see him win! ---
**Author:** ![Nathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathan/32/191605_2.png) [@Nathan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nathan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/28 "2013-10-02T22:52:45Z")
AP doesn’t count ---
**Author:** ![Zorro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zorro/32/206266_2.png) [@Zorro](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zorro)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/29 "2013-10-04T13:13:35Z")
Gentry Stein is easily the best player never to win a national/world title. Although, Luis Enrique Villasenor is not out of the question. He is in second place. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathan/32/191605_2.png) [@Nathan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nathan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/30 "2013-10-04T14:08:12Z")
Luis won a National Title in 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Zorro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zorro/32/206266_2.png) [@Zorro](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zorro)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/31 "2013-10-04T14:14:37Z")
> [@Nathan](#): > > Luis won a National Title in 2012. I meant for worlds. ---
**Author:** ![Bina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bina/32/933_2.png) [@Bina](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bina)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/32 "2013-10-04T20:23:45Z")
Petr Kavka should win 1A at Czech Nationals at least once. It’s hard to beat Vashek with his five titles, but both Robert and Tomas did it. Petr is last of Czech top players to missing it. ---
**Author:** ![baerinatux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@baerinatux](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/baerinatux)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659/33 "2013-10-04T21:24:05Z")
> [@Bina](#): > > Petr Kavka should win 1A at Czech Nationals at least once. It’s hard to beat Vashek with his five titles, but both Robert and Tomas did it. Petr is last of Czech top players to missing it. Petr is amazing! He is definitely good enough to get it, he has the 5a title. But it comes down to who has a cleaner freestyle. Any one of the 4 of them could take it, Vashek is just the most consistent. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-players-to-never-win-a-national-or-world-title/59659.md?page=1)