# Best place to buy Titanium throws? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [August 4, 2013, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459 "2013-08-04T08:04:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![stookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stookie/32/1071_2.png) [@stookie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stookie)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/101 "2013-08-06T06:09:28Z")
> [@Midlifeyoyoman](#): > > > [@stookie](#): > > > > > [@Midlifeyoyoman](#): > > > > > > > [@stookie](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Midlifeyoyoman](#): > > > > > > > > > > I respect each of your two stances but have to really disagree with stookies main point in continueing past his first couple posts. Titanium is completely different than any other metal being used to make yoyos right now so no matter how good the other material is, the feel will not be anywhere near the same. If a player likes the feel of titanium then no other throw will stand up to the titaniums feel no matter what. So if it plays good and has that feel then the thrower will have two options, either spend the extra cash and get it or just buy something that doesn’t have that indescribable feeling of having a yoyo that is a part of your hand. > > > > > > > > I don’t understand any of this. It matters what the metal feels like? How could that possibly matter? I have titanium yoyos. 4 of them. They feel cold and hard, like metal. I really don’t feel this palpable difference due to material and I don’t understand the mechanism by which this would even work. Heck, a yoyo isn’t even touching me when I use it. > > > > > > > > Titanium yoyos even weigh the same as aluminum yoyos, so the sense of “density” by feel is really just…I don’t know, almost ridiculous to me unless someone out there is so strong that aluminum feels squishy to them. This idea that it offers something inherently different without being shaped in an inherently different way does not add up. The materials are too similar. > > > > > > > > The design matters. That’s all there is to it. It’s all that matters between aluminums, and it’s all that matters if you make a yoyo out of titanium, gold, diamonds, or pixie dust. You might want to own a pixie dust throw, but the difference in its play vs. any other yoyo will be directly related to its weight and shape. > > > > > > Wow! You do just like to argue! I can at least admit that I understand your stance but you can’t even do that. There is a huge difference in feel between aluminum and titanium. When returning the throw or throwing it there is a different feeling. Blah blah blah to anything else I say cause you know where I’m going but refuse to do anything but take an opposite stance. > > > > I can’t do that because I don’t understand your stance. > > > > > [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > > > > > > [@stookie](#): > > > > > > > > Right, and I’m saying the reason the retail on the Ricochet is higher is because they’re specifically trying to turn a profit. So, in other words, they’re charging more over cost than OD did with the Sovereign. > > > > > > > > We are not the first to complain. There was a massive, now locked or otherwise buried thread, where people battered yyfben with these questions and I believe it led to his actually leaving the site. What I said in this thread initially was simply what we took from that conversation… > > > > > > I remember the thread, and it was mostly two or three people that actually really complained about it, others just complain about Ben’s actions. > > > > Well, as long as everyone else acknowledges it to be true then I’m fine with that. It’s when we argue that it isn’t that seems off to me. > > Sure is weird how you own TIs but don’t agree with almost everyone else’s opinion about it having a completely different feel during play. Just goes to show why you’ve posted nonstop in all the ricochet threads. You’re just anti ricochet and that’s fine, to each their own but to mangle the threads endlessly without the last word is childish. Your point was very clear some 50 (or however many) posts ago. This is the first Ricochet thread I’ve posted in that I can recall. And I don’t think I’m disagreeing with people about titanium. So far no one but you has really said it was about the feel. Most of them are just saying that they don’t care about the design because they like the yoyo. That’s fine, and it’s the reason I never argued that it wasn’t fun. ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/102 "2013-08-06T06:12:24Z")
> [@stookie](#): > > This is the first Ricochet thread I’ve posted in that I can recall. > > And I don’t think I’m disagreeing with people about titanium. So far no one but you has really said it was about the feel. Most of them are just saying that they don’t care about the design because they like the yoyo. That’s fine, and it’s the reason I never argued that it wasn’t fun. I’ve previously said that it feels different than any other yo-yo I played. I said that so many times, but you didn’t want to realize it until now.  And yes, the Ricochet plays great…glad you mentioned that.  😃 Get yourselves a Ricochet today.  You too Stookie.  😃 What is your take on this? > **[Best place to buy Titanium throws?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,64725.msg698799.html)** > > Funny how they’re all being sold, pretty fast considering the big price tag. I’d say 95% of the yoyoers out there disagree with you. I agree that those who care about the design are in the minority. This was marketed to the “majority.” I would... ---
**Author:** ![ChessingtonValley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chessingtonvalley/32/966_2.png) [@ChessingtonValley](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ChessingtonValley)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/103 "2013-08-06T06:14:04Z")
What I don’t understand is that it is usually YYF throws that get argued about like this. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Midlifeyoyoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Midlifeyoyoman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Midlifeyoyoman)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/104 "2013-08-06T06:16:54Z")
> [@stookie](#): > > > [@Midlifeyoyoman](#): > > > > > [@stookie](#): > > > > > > > [@Midlifeyoyoman](#): > > > > > > > > > [@stookie](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@Midlifeyoyoman](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > I respect each of your two stances but have to really disagree with stookies main point in continueing past his first couple posts. Titanium is completely different than any other metal being used to make yoyos right now so no matter how good the other material is, the feel will not be anywhere near the same. If a player likes the feel of titanium then no other throw will stand up to the titaniums feel no matter what. So if it plays good and has that feel then the thrower will have two options, either spend the extra cash and get it or just buy something that doesn’t have that indescribable feeling of having a yoyo that is a part of your hand. > > > > > > > > > > I don’t understand any of this. It matters what the metal feels like? How could that possibly matter? I have titanium yoyos. 4 of them. They feel cold and hard, like metal. I really don’t feel this palpable difference due to material and I don’t understand the mechanism by which this would even work. Heck, a yoyo isn’t even touching me when I use it. > > > > > > > > > > Titanium yoyos even weigh the same as aluminum yoyos, so the sense of “density” by feel is really just…I don’t know, almost ridiculous to me unless someone out there is so strong that aluminum feels squishy to them. This idea that it offers something inherently different without being shaped in an inherently different way does not add up. The materials are too similar. > > > > > > > > > > The design matters. That’s all there is to it. It’s all that matters between aluminums, and it’s all that matters if you make a yoyo out of titanium, gold, diamonds, or pixie dust. You might want to own a pixie dust throw, but the difference in its play vs. any other yoyo will be directly related to its weight and shape. > > > > > > > > Wow! You do just like to argue! I can at least admit that I understand your stance but you can’t even do that. There is a huge difference in feel between aluminum and titanium. When returning the throw or throwing it there is a different feeling. Blah blah blah to anything else I say cause you know where I’m going but refuse to do anything but take an opposite stance. > > > > > > I can’t do that because I don’t understand your stance. > > > > > > > [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > > > > > > > > [@stookie](#): > > > > > > > > > > Right, and I’m saying the reason the retail on the Ricochet is higher is because they’re specifically trying to turn a profit. So, in other words, they’re charging more over cost than OD did with the Sovereign. > > > > > > > > > > We are not the first to complain. There was a massive, now locked or otherwise buried thread, where people battered yyfben with these questions and I believe it led to his actually leaving the site. What I said in this thread initially was simply what we took from that conversation… > > > > > > > > I remember the thread, and it was mostly two or three people that actually really complained about it, others just complain about Ben’s actions. > > > > > > Well, as long as everyone else acknowledges it to be true then I’m fine with that. It’s when we argue that it isn’t that seems off to me. > > > > Sure is weird how you own TIs but don’t agree with almost everyone else’s opinion about it having a completely different feel during play. Just goes to show why you’ve posted nonstop in all the ricochet threads. You’re just anti ricochet and that’s fine, to each their own but to mangle the threads endlessly without the last word is childish. Your point was very clear some 50 (or however many) posts ago. > > This is the first Ricochet thread I’ve posted in that I can recall. > > And I don’t think I’m disagreeing with people about titanium. So far no one but you has really said it was about the feel. Most of them are just saying that they don’t care about the design because they like the yoyo. That’s fine, and it’s the reason I never argued that it wasn’t fun. Are you dyslexic too? I’ve quoted others thoughts of the feel in the past hour or so and that’s just one. Artists has posted about feel as well. I’m gonna add to this enstead of wasting more space for you. Who ever said you posted in the other ricochet thread? I said I got a refreshment from it. Same s$$$ different thread. Got nowhere cause the ricochet is the ricochet not some other $500 throw pushed to the limit but yet is tons better for me than my next best throw (chief). ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/105 "2013-08-06T06:19:35Z")
> [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > What I don’t understand is that it is usually YYF throws that get argued about like this. ☹ There will always be people that just generally dislike a company and go out of their way to make the company look bad BTW stookie I’d like to say that there’s plenty of people that bought the ricochet knowing exactly what they were getting without a complaint so I find your argument that people bought them because they cared about the yoyo pushing the boundaries to be poor. It’s a yoyo that sparks and that’s why lots of people bought it. You also have the loyal yyf fanbase that’ll buy anything and I bet they could care less as well. If I saw multiple reviews of the ricochet with people saying they were dissapointed or disliked the yoyo I’d think otherwise but I haven’t seen any of those yet. ---
**Author:** ![stookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stookie/32/1071_2.png) [@stookie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stookie)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/106 "2013-08-06T06:21:24Z")
> [@TotalArtist](#): > > > [@stookie](#): > > > > This is the first Ricochet thread I’ve posted in that I can recall. > > > > And I don’t think I’m disagreeing with people about titanium. So far no one but you has really said it was about the feel. Most of them are just saying that they don’t care about the design because they like the yoyo. That’s fine, and it’s the reason I never argued that it wasn’t fun. > > I’ve previously said that it feels different than any other yo-yo I played. I said that so many times, but you didn’t want to realize it until now.  And yes, the Ricochet plays great…glad you mentioned that.  😃 Get yourselves a Ricochet today.  You too Stookie.  😃 > > What is your take on this? > > [Best place to buy Titanium throws? - #91 by Totalartist - General Yo-Yo - YoYoExpert](http://yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,64725.msg698799.html#msg698799) You said it feels different than any yoyo you’ve played, he said that there’s a different feel to all titaniums that makes them special and causes some buyers to only want titaniums. Your opinion is just that, and it’s fine. I don’t agree with his statement because I don’t understand how it could work. As for you link, I think somewhere earlier in this thread I did concede that it was nice yyf was trying to bring titanium to more people. I don’t ever think it was a good thing that titanium was so exclusive, while I did understand and respect why it generally had to be so. However, I still also feel that if someone were really jones-ing for a titanium, really lusting after one, and they could only have one because it was such a stretch in budget…I don’t think I’d recommend they settle for the cheapest. I’d like to see them get one of the models that really inspired their lust. IMO, the Ricochet is ideally a better fit for people like you or me, who can be concerned only with trying new yoyos whatever they be because we already had the chance to try the mythical beasts. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_cat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/big_cat/32/877_2.png) [@Big\_cat](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Big_cat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/107 "2013-08-06T06:26:15Z")
> [@Midlifeyoyoman](#): > > Wow! Just got home from 11 hour road trip and saw my thread gained 5 pages in one day so had to read it all only to find I just reread what was stated in the ricochet review thread. > > I respect each of your two stances but have to really disagree with stookies main point in continueing past his first couple posts. Titanium is completely different than any other metal being used to make yoyos right now so no matter how good the other material is, the feel will not be anywhere near the same. If a player likes the feel of titanium then no other throw will stand up to the titaniums feel no matter what. So if it plays good and has that feel then the thrower will have two options, either spend the extra cash and get it or just buy something that doesn’t have that indescribable feeling of having a yoyo that is a part of your hand. > > I’ll gladly give an honest review of other TIs in comparison to the ricochet once I acquire them but I know the feel will be the same or very similar between them all. But once it leaves the hand it better perform better than my $200 yyf or the cutting edge technology of that $500 throw will be a bust in a major way;therefore, making all of stookie’s posts moot. I just don’t see any design that will make a TI play much better than the ricochet. Sure there will be slight differences but not $300 worth, and that won’t keep me from buying one. I’ll get the feel of titanium and have a slightly better throw than my pretty purple/blue one that I got for under half the price. But the feel will be my main reason for buying it along with all TIs. > > But thanks for a refresh of the review thread. :wink: I don’t want to get in on this argument, but I wanted to say, I think you’ll actually be surprised at how differently a lot of Ti throws play in comparison to other Ti’s. Like you said, maybe not $300 worth, but it will be noticeable. It’s like aluminum throws: They all play differently. I feel the same with Titaniums. Like the Sovereign, it’s one of the most interesting yoyos I’ve ever thrown. It just feels so different than any Aluminum or Ti. I think it’s because of how little centerweight their is, and the massive rim weight. ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/108 "2013-08-06T06:31:34Z")
> [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > What I don’t understand is that it is usually YYF throws that get argued about like this. ☹ Just nonsense really. But, it must help their sales. It did in this case. Several people tried the Ricochet just because of the big deal made by the minority. I think it helps in the end. It contributed to my purchase. It has not been a completely unhealthy debate as I think we realize the varying points of view. The two sides would never agree on this issue. There have been a few points of common ground buried in here. Very small, but still there. ---
**Author:** ![ChessingtonValley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chessingtonvalley/32/966_2.png) [@ChessingtonValley](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ChessingtonValley)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/109 "2013-08-06T06:34:36Z")
> [@TotalArtist](#): > > > [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > > > What I don’t understand is that it is usually YYF throws that get argued about like this. ☹ > > Just nonsense really. But, it must help their sales. It did in this case. Several people tried the Ricochet just because of the big deal made by the minority. I think it helps in the end. It contributed to my purchase. It has not been a completely unhealthy debate as I think we realize the varying points of view. The two sides would never agree on this issue. There have been a few points of common ground buried in here. Very small, but still there. I guess it as they say then “there is no such thing as bad publicity”. :-\ ---
**Author:** ![stookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stookie/32/1071_2.png) [@stookie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stookie)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/110 "2013-08-06T06:44:27Z")
> [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > > [@TotalArtist](#): > > > > > [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > > > > > What I don’t understand is that it is usually YYF throws that get argued about like this. ☹ > > > > Just nonsense really. But, it must help their sales. It did in this case. Several people tried the Ricochet just because of the big deal made by the minority. I think it helps in the end. It contributed to my purchase. It has not been a completely unhealthy debate as I think we realize the varying points of view. The two sides would never agree on this issue. There have been a few points of common ground buried in here. Very small, but still there. > > I guess it as they say then “there is no such thing as bad publicity”. :-\ I think it’s because YYF open themselves up to it. They make choices that other brands wouldn’t make. This, for example, is the first titanium we know of designed to profitable. That’s a bit different than say, Oxy’s take, which is to make a titanium that is the best yoyo they can imagine. Both of those yoyos have a place in the market, and neither is the wrong way to go. But those two ideas do not strike people the same way. Another recent example, the re-anno’d splashes. Something you just wouldn’t see from CLYW. Again, can be fine, but doesn’t strike everyone right, and that can came back to you eventually. I think they do this in part because they’re big enough not to have to worry about maintaining a sterling rep with everyone the way a CLYW has to. And…I think it’s partially because this is the way you get as big as they are. At some point it has to be about profit moreso than sunshine and rainbows. All you have to do is get people to pay. Whether they love you is just icing on the cake. ---
**Author:** ![Totalartist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/totalartist/32/1054_2.png) [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/111 "2013-08-06T06:45:07Z")
> [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > > [@TotalArtist](#): > > > > > [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > > > > > What I don’t understand is that it is usually YYF throws that get argued about like this. ☹ > > > > Just nonsense really. But, it must help their sales. It did in this case. Several people tried the Ricochet just because of the big deal made by the minority. I think it helps in the end. It contributed to my purchase. It has not been a completely unhealthy debate as I think we realize the varying points of view. The two sides would never agree on this issue. There have been a few points of common ground buried in here. Very small, but still there. > > I guess it as they say then “there is no such thing as bad publicity”. :-\ I’d say it’s true, so long as the good outweighs the bad. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Midlifeyoyoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Midlifeyoyoman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Midlifeyoyoman)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/112 "2013-08-06T06:48:33Z")
> [@Midlifeyoyoman](#): > > > [@sparhawk](#): > > > > Just because they choose not to have extremely thin walls doesn’t mean it has bad weight distribution > > > > You can still use the effects of the titanium to give it a feel that aluminum couldn’t just because of how dense it is. Titanium has always felt different to me whenever I play it > > I’ve posted on this a few times and it isn’t really something I can describe but it’s awesome compared to any other metal. Just totally different and I like it a lot. Just for you stinkie ;). ---
**Author:** ![ChessingtonValley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chessingtonvalley/32/966_2.png) [@ChessingtonValley](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ChessingtonValley)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/113 "2013-08-06T07:00:11Z")
However I also believe we have a “town” mindset, and what I mean by that is usually in towns if you mess up once, everyone hears about it and thus everyone shuns you and basically you are marked for life. I feel like no one really likes to give second chances anymore, for example some people won’t even try Yomega just because of a past mistake. :-\ ---
**Author:** ![saintrobyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/saintrobyn/32/54_2.png) [@saintrobyn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saintrobyn)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/114 "2013-08-06T07:25:13Z")
> [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > However I also believe we have a “town” mindset, and what I mean by that is usually in towns if you mess up once, everyone hears about it and thus everyone shuns you and basically you are marked for life. I feel like no one really likes to give second chances anymore, for example some people won’t even try Yomega just because of a past mistake. :-\ There is quite a bit of truth in this. I am giving Yomega a second chance but it took them hiring Dan Dietz, a player I trust, to make it happen. Other companies I will never give a second chance, RecRev and VsNYYC are perfect examples, both outright stole from the community. > [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > What I don’t understand is that it is usually YYF throws that get argued about like this. ☹ They do get the lion’s share but you will also find threads popping up that are anti-CLYW, usually due to their prices. Others as well. ---
**Author:** ![stookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stookie/32/1071_2.png) [@stookie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stookie)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/115 "2013-08-06T07:26:08Z")
> [@ChessingtonValley](#): > > However I also believe we have a “town” mindset, and what I mean by that is usually in towns if you mess up once, everyone hears about it and thus everyone shuns you and basically you are marked for life. I feel like no one really likes to give second chances anymore, for example some people won’t even try Yomega just because of a past mistake. :-\ Oh for sure, and even in each individual thread, there’s tons of indirect pressure to jump in and share some YYF related bad story, or just to agree with someone’s negative points. But, you know. They’re big and seemingly doing fine. I don’t think they’re particularly interested in changing anything. So, they drop re-anno’d splashes or whatever, sell them, and just take the crap that comes with it. I bet some of the smaller brands around would like to move enough product not to have to care about every detail, too. ---
**Author:** ![felipe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/felipe/32/1394_2.png) [@felipe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/felipe)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/116 "2013-08-06T07:31:16Z")
> [@saintrobyn](#): > > Where did I say durability doesn’t matter? The durability is an essential part of being able to push the metal to the fullest. Making walls so thin that the weight practically absent from the area while placing a the lions share in the rims gives a unique feel, something that can not be done with aluminum. Again, for someone who reviews yoyos, you don’t pay much attention do you? Where does the titanium go on the aluminium/titanium hybrids? To make for thin walls? Nope, they go on the rims, or as weight rings, or on the hubs/axle to get more durability. Getting a thin wall is not the target goal of using titanium. Besides, maximizing rim weight does not make a yoyo great, go buy a BTH if you want maximized rim weight. > [@saintrobyn](#): > > And did you just say yoyos don’t need to bother with aerodynamics? Seriously? Yes, because I see a whole heck of a lot of tin cans on a string flying around at contests and yoyo clubs. Aerodynamics play an important part in how a yoyo works. And you thin I need to educate myself. 😛 In case you don’t know, aero comes from air. Yoyos barely interact with air, they’re not golf balls that need to fly a long way, they need to spin longer, and air resistance is not what slows them down, specially on the smooth vibe free yoyos we have today, air resistance is negligible. Go study some. ---
**Author:** ![stookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stookie/32/1071_2.png) [@stookie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stookie)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459/117 "2013-08-06T07:42:22Z")
> [@felipe](#): > > Again, for someone who reviews yoyos, you don’t pay much attention do you? > Where does the titanium go on the aluminium/titanium hybrids? To make for thin walls? Nope, they go on the rims, or as weight rings, or on the hubs/axle to get more durability. Getting a thin wall is not the target goal of using titanium. This is an interesting side argument I’ve always wondered about. I do still disagree a bit, and I do think that titanium was initially attractive because of what you could do when you made an entire yoyo out of it (thin walls, weight distribution) …however, more to your point, I’ve been wondering about this trend of using titanium as a supplement, specifically in weight rings. I don’t totally understand this. It’s true that it’s heavier than aluminum, but it’s still not particularly heavy. It’s just a lot of added expense to get a product that could have easily been achieved (probably even more effectively) with an even heavier, and less expensive metal. Like, steel, for example. A much more obvious choice for the purpose of weighting. What I suspect is that they’re using it for the most obvious reason (putting the word titanium in your yoyo description allows you to charge whatever you want), but I don’t know if there’s some other reason. Maybe it’s good for this purpose because it’s so strong that you can use very thin strips of it, and that makes it easier to work into designs? I don’t know. Just something I’ve been thinking was curious. ---
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> [@stookie](#): > > …however, more to your point, I’ve been wondering about this trend of using titanium as a supplement, specifically in weight rings. I don’t totally understand this. It’s true that it’s heavier than aluminum, but it’s still not particularly heavy. It’s just a lot of added expense to get a product that could have easily been achieved (probably even more effectively) with an even heavier, and less expensive metal. Like, steel, for example. A much more obvious choice for the purpose of weighting. > > What I suspect is that they’re using it for the most obvious reason (putting the word titanium in your yoyo description allows you to charge whatever you want), but I don’t know if there’s some other reason. Maybe it’s good for this purpose because it’s so strong that you can use very thin strips of it, and that makes it easier to work into designs? I don’t know. Just something I’ve been thinking was curious. I agree with you on this and I also find it curious as to why use an expensive material just as a paperweight, but then again, I don’t design yoyos for a living. There are yoyos out there that use stainless steel or brass as weight rings. ---
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> [@stookie](#): > > > [@felipe](#): > > > > Again, for someone who reviews yoyos, you don’t pay much attention do you? > > Where does the titanium go on the aluminium/titanium hybrids? To make for thin walls? Nope, they go on the rims, or as weight rings, or on the hubs/axle to get more durability. Getting a thin wall is not the target goal of using titanium. > > This is an interesting side argument I’ve always wondered about. I do still disagree a bit, and I do think that titanium was initially attractive because of what you could do when you made an entire yoyo out of it (thin walls, weight distribution) > > …however, more to your point, I’ve been wondering about this trend of using titanium as a supplement, specifically in weight rings. I don’t totally understand this. It’s true that it’s heavier than aluminum, but it’s still not particularly heavy. It’s just a lot of added expense to get a product that could have easily been achieved (probably even more effectively) with an even heavier, and less expensive metal. Like, steel, for example. A much more obvious choice for the purpose of weighting. > > What I suspect is that they’re using it for the most obvious reason (putting the word titanium in your yoyo description allows you to charge whatever you want), but I don’t know if there’s some other reason. Maybe it’s good for this purpose because it’s so strong that you can use very thin strips of it, and that makes it easier to work into designs? I don’t know. Just something I’ve been thinking was curious. I will continue to repeat myself in saying that it’s a novelty just like the mighty flea but for different reasons. The mighty flea is not an awesome playing yoyo but it’s a novelty for it’s size. The ricochet is not an amazing yoyo but it sparks. ---
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> [@sparhawk](#): > > > [@stookie](#): > > > > > [@felipe](#): > > > > > > Again, for someone who reviews yoyos, you don’t pay much attention do you? > > > Where does the titanium go on the aluminium/titanium hybrids? To make for thin walls? Nope, they go on the rims, or as weight rings, or on the hubs/axle to get more durability. Getting a thin wall is not the target goal of using titanium. > > > > This is an interesting side argument I’ve always wondered about. I do still disagree a bit, and I do think that titanium was initially attractive because of what you could do when you made an entire yoyo out of it (thin walls, weight distribution) > > > > …however, more to your point, I’ve been wondering about this trend of using titanium as a supplement, specifically in weight rings. I don’t totally understand this. It’s true that it’s heavier than aluminum, but it’s still not particularly heavy. It’s just a lot of added expense to get a product that could have easily been achieved (probably even more effectively) with an even heavier, and less expensive metal. Like, steel, for example. A much more obvious choice for the purpose of weighting. > > > > What I suspect is that they’re using it for the most obvious reason (putting the word titanium in your yoyo description allows you to charge whatever you want), but I don’t know if there’s some other reason. Maybe it’s good for this purpose because it’s so strong that you can use very thin strips of it, and that makes it easier to work into designs? I don’t know. Just something I’ve been thinking was curious. > > I will continue to repeat myself in saying that it’s a novelty just like the mighty flea but for different reasons. The mighty flea is not an awesome playing yoyo but it’s a novelty for it’s size. The ricochet is not an amazing yoyo but it sparks. I still very much suspect it is for the novelty of it, at least, because having titanium on a yoyo somehow justifies a major price hike. But this use just seems a little weird because, if not for some actual reason why titanium is a good choice, there are seemingly better design choices to make. Pretty important ones too, that could really affect the yoyo. If someone were really trying to do weight rings for the purpose of moving weight to the rims, but couldn’t just use titanium on the whole throw and do it that way…steel would be a way better choice for their weight rings. They could get a much better rim:wall weight ratio with steel and it would be cheaper. You could also use much, much less steel to get the same effect, so your yoyo design wouldn’t be quite as limited, but would still have the necessary weight where you want it. So either, the difference being made by weight rings is relatively small and allows you to just go ahead and pick whatever material you want…or titanium is actually good for this use based on some reason I don’t know. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-place-to-buy-titanium-throws/57459.md?page=7)