# Best performing monometal?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [January 6, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058 "2019-01-06T00:39:13Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/145 "2019-01-16T09:01:04Z")
I’m the forum janitor!
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### Author:  [@Lhet](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lhet)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/146 "2019-01-16T20:57:49Z")
I think the TP Chameleon/Chameleon Light is the probably the best performance monometal by quite a big margin using if you were to set up any objective way to measure performance. It’s just so stupidly powerful.
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### Author:  [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/147 "2019-01-16T22:04:04Z")
Given how oversized the Chameleon Light is, I guess that makes sense.
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/148 "2019-01-16T22:08:21Z")
It is the most unique yoyo I’ve seen in ages. It’s HUGE.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/149 "2019-01-16T23:21:46Z")
Yeah Chamelon is _enormous_. It’s even more intimidating than Mega Crash which is quite something…
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### Author:  [@ThrowButcher](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ThrowButcher)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/150 "2019-01-17T00:34:54Z")
If ‘type’ can be used in place of ‘model’, then he isn’t actually wrong. Actually, by saying it’s _the same bearing_, one could just as easily infer that to mean the exact same single bearing was used in each throw. Which we know is not the case. \_😊
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### Author:  [@ThrowTrue](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ThrowTrue)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/151 "2019-01-17T00:50:14Z")
Comes down to you completing your tricks. By any means necessary. - topically speaking - monometal world would be the extreme shapes. More rim weight greater the spin.
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### Author:  [@ThrowTrue](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ThrowTrue)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/152 "2019-01-17T01:19:34Z")
That’s correct but insofar as to those tolerances being used as a bench mark, not the safe zone. The factors which should lend a designer manufacturer a slight releaf however it being “reasonably safe” is contingent on the actual materials ductility. The tensil capacity is in relation to the integrity of material but more importantly where the listed specs of the the thinnest or least amount of material necessary to function through the average means to a yo-yos end. The tolerances of those specs with a standard of 3 tenths of a thousandth (±.003) is a preliminary standard specifically for damage of the walls through impact.
-7068 was the United States government exploratory contract given to the Hnited States Army to be developed in hopes to achieve the characteristics of T5 titanium at a much cheaper cost. However it is only now becoming utilized in a vast amount of applications.
When I first felt the space crown, it didn’t feel right, it felt too light yet it’s displacement and weight distribution gave speed. Now when I pick up a throw I can usually tell (if it’s a shape I’m familiar with) if it’s made of 6061 -7003, 7075 and so on. There are so so many more alloys that could be used however yo-yos are made out if bar stock (typically) and most allow derivatives with additional chromium and manganese don’t come in a diameter large enough to make a modern yo-yo. This is also a factor in which made most Ti throws smaller diameter, not the company trying to keep that 300-500 price range, raw material being greater than the machining, fab and assembly.
Turning Points mustang ES is almost 68 grams. 🤯
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2019, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/153 "2019-01-17T02:05:23Z")
> [@ThrowButcher](#):
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> If ‘type’ can be used in place of ‘model’, then he isn’t actually wrong. Actually, by saying it’s _the same bearing_ , one could just as easily infer that to mean the exact same single bearing was used in each throw. Which we know is not the case. \_😊
Focus on what I said/meant. Not using the margin of imagination to create your hypothesis.
He already said the same type of bearing.
So when I said ‘same bearing’; that’s is exactly what I meant. The same bearing.
… ‘one could just as easily infer’… \<\> only you.
I doubt anybody else felt the need to be hypercritical and attempt to misconstrue my meaning.
I seriously doubt that there is anybody currently on this Forum that has handled or tested as many bearings as I have in the last 20+ years.
…And if a guy doesn’t want to use the ‘same exact bearing; then he needs to time out each yoyo. And then swap the bearings in the two yoyos(obviously have to be the same size bearing) and time them again. Repeat the test 4 times. That way each yoyo had two spin time runs with each bearing. Then average the times to get a more realistic time potential for each
And even then; those results would only reflect results from the one guy throwing in whatever conditions he was in at the time.
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### Author:  [@ThrowButcher](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ThrowButcher)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/154 "2019-01-17T03:51:18Z")
No worries man 😊
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### Author:  [@ThrowTrue](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ThrowTrue)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/155 "2019-01-21T17:09:42Z")
WHave you played the Sasquatch? I have not yet but hoping to find one. The Chamileon was made for circus tricks. It wasn’t until takeshi walked on stage with two of them a contact juggling ball and his colony did people take the yo-yo seriously. I think that wad 2016 or 2017 Japan nationals. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
There is something to be said about oversized yo-yos with competition pefotmances. Black or contrasting clothing and clean string. A lot of tech players prefer a smaller throw for maneuverability and to get and out of tight wraps - but that oversized throw stands out big.
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### Author:  [@ThrowTrue](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ThrowTrue)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/156 "2019-01-21T17:15:27Z")
Experience -
You’ve been in the trenches and I trust it.
Respect ✊🏼
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/157 "2019-01-21T22:18:49Z")
> [@ThrowTrue](#):
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> WHave you played the Sasquatch? I have not yet but hoping to find one.
I have one for sale in the #Buy / Sell / Trade right now if you want one!
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### Author:  [@crackout](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crackout)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/158 "2019-01-22T15:11:19Z")
Aluminum: I have to say, the best is the Pyro 3 by Hspin. It’s absolutely perfect.
Titanium: I’ll come back to this in a few months. :3
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### Author:  [@ThrowTrue](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ThrowTrue)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/159 "2019-01-24T17:28:36Z")
Shhh
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### Author:  [@ThrowTrue](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ThrowTrue)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/160 "2019-01-25T15:38:53Z")
Curious, are you saying that there are only two factors in this production that reflected the price?
If your pricing was that affected by the quantity and material type, I would love to give you some pricing on your designs. I’m open for business, send me an RFQ.
The good Lord knows many of us have had quality control issues, but I can tell you that the material cost between 6061 and 7068 should not be as influential as your price point. Which is a good thing, shows if you get a deal WE the whole community gets a deal.
-Josh
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### Author:  [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/161 "2019-01-25T16:20:43Z")
> [@ThrowTrue](#):
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> If your pricing was that affected by the quantity and material type, I would love to give you some pricing on your designs. I’m open for business, send me an RFQ.
You make yo-yos?
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### Author:  [@maddoxyoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/maddoxyoyo)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/162 "2019-01-25T16:30:26Z")
orca is killa
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### Author:  [@ThrowTrue](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ThrowTrue)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/163 "2019-01-25T21:20:58Z")
Yes, however I typically don’t manufacture them in completion, or outfit them with bearings, axles or response - I can but at that point the company wouldn’t be as involved or have as much control over their quality. Also I feel personally the bearings axles and response have or should be cohesive to the designers concept.
I offer good ol’ USA machining and fabrication.
-Josh
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### Author:  [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/best-performing-monometal/297058/164 "2019-03-25T17:51:22Z")
Looks like the new 2Sick Flank, is targeted to this category:
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzNrIpkaouc)
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