# bear vs man 2 vs summit **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [March 13, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740 "2013-03-13T01:29:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![saskyoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@saskyoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saskyoyo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/1 "2013-03-13T01:29:27Z")
so im looking at getting a new yoyo and im crossed between a bear vs man 2 and awaiting the summit release i know the summit has had a small run released i dont know about the bear vs man 2 if so i would like some opinions i have a clyw gnarwhal and love that yoyo i like my yoyos a bit undersized and i like grinding arm and thumb id love to hear some opinions thanks guys! ---
**Author:** ![dingo54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8baadc/32.png) [@dingo54](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dingo54)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/2 "2013-03-13T01:36:32Z")
Hmm , the BVM 2 releases tomorrow night, so you can get it sooner. Not sure, but the new BVM appears slightly oversized, while the Summit has the deal like the cascade or hot, where the gap is thickness at the middle(Near gap) is thinner so it probably feels slightly undersized. To me the new BVM looks terrible, but its all preference. ---
**Author:** ![saskyoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@saskyoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saskyoyo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/3 "2013-03-13T02:35:41Z")
i can wait im not in a rush to get it but thanks for the input i dont mind the looks of cascade i think i may hold out for the summit it seems a bit more my style with the size ---
**Author:** ![thefluteninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19b73/32.png) [@thefluteninja](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/thefluteninja)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/4 "2013-03-13T03:33:08Z")
If you have a Dark Magic II: Summit is slightly wider and just a hair bigger in diameter. ---
**Author:** ![saskyoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@saskyoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saskyoyo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/5 "2013-03-13T05:39:09Z")
ok yeah i have one thanks for putting that into perspective! much appreciated! ---
**Author:** ![Yonut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yonut](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yonut)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/6 "2013-03-13T13:56:17Z")
The Summit will be more expensive. The pre pro’s were discounted. ---
**Author:** ![Eastfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eastfield/32/1158_2.png) [@Eastfield](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Eastfield)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/7 "2013-03-13T15:45:18Z")
> [@dingo54](#): > > Hmm , the BVM 2 releases tomorrow night, so you can get it sooner. Not sure, but the new BVM appears slightly oversized, while the Summit has the deal like the cascade or hot, where the gap is thickness at the middle(Near gap) is thinner so it probably feels slightly undersized. To me the new BVM looks terrible, but its all preference. The Summit isn’t undersized at all! It’s more of a wide Ava with the cup-design of the Cascade. I’m thinking that while there probably will be another run of the BvM2, it might not be another run of the Summit, considering how many were made during their last collab (WMM) ---
**Author:** ![Behemoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/behemoth/32/1291_2.png) [@Behemoth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Behemoth)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/8 "2013-03-13T16:50:38Z")
> [@Eastfield](#): > > > [@dingo54](#): > > > > Hmm , the BVM 2 releases tomorrow night, so you can get it sooner. Not sure, but the new BVM appears slightly oversized, while the Summit has the deal like the cascade or hot, where the gap is thickness at the middle(Near gap) is thinner so it probably feels slightly undersized. To me the new BVM looks terrible, but its all preference. > > The Summit isn’t undersized at all! It’s more of a wide Ava with the cup-design of the Cascade. > I’m thinking that while there probably will be another run of the BvM2, it might not be another run of the Summit, considering how many were made during their last collab (WMM) I can’t recall where I read it now, but I swear somebody from Caribou Lodge or One Drop said that the Summit would be an ongoing production (i.e., it wouldn’t be a limited run). ---
**Author:** ![vicvonboom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b9e5f3/32.png) [@vicvonboom](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vicvonboom)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/9 "2013-03-13T17:30:29Z")
There will be Plenty of Summits. Not a one time deal. ---
**Author:** ![Nemyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nemyo/32/14407_2.png) [@Nemyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nemyo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/10 "2013-03-13T17:32:24Z")
I say you get the Man 2, but I do hear the Bear is a good yoyo too. ---
**Author:** ![DrAwesome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/drawesome/32/1139_2.png) [@DrAwesome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DrAwesome)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/11 "2013-03-13T17:51:52Z")
> [@Nemyo](#): > > I say you get the Man 2, but I do hear the Bear is a good yoyo too. I swear I was going to say That then I opened up the topic. And I was sad ---
**Author:** ![saskyoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@saskyoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saskyoyo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/12 "2013-03-14T00:40:23Z")
well i have never had a side effects yoyo either so thats kind of a plus on the summit for me too ---
**Author:** ![thefluteninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19b73/32.png) [@thefluteninja](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/thefluteninja)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/13 "2013-03-14T03:19:06Z")
I love my Summit. I have not switched the Ultralights out for any other SE yet but I heard that it gets too heavy with heavier SE. The BvM looks pretty boss. ---
**Author:** ![saskyoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@saskyoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/saskyoyo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/14 "2013-03-14T03:46:02Z")
is the summit very floaty? compared to a bvm? i have a spyy ronin as well and i dont like how heavy it feels on my string. ---
**Author:** ![Feruvox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/feruvox/32/1166_2.png) [@Feruvox](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Feruvox)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/bear-vs-man-2-vs-summit/50740/15 "2013-03-14T04:27:49Z")
With ultralights it is super floaty. If your looking for speed and long spins tho i recomend bvm2