# Are Unresponsive Throws Really "Yoyos"?
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [November 21, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036 "2015-11-21T03:25:02Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Fuzzwad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Fuzzwad)
#### Post date: [November 21, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/21 "2015-11-21T18:55:48Z")
> [@wishiwasayoyoexpert](#):
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> So if I throw down a yoyo without a response system in it and thus can’t return it to my hand, does that make it not a yoyo anymore? :wink:
In my opinion, pretty much! But it’s up to you what you wanna call it. :wink:
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### Author:  [@Sergio](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sergio)
#### Post date: [November 21, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/22 "2015-11-21T19:14:11Z")
I’m going to call them whirli gigs.
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### Author:  [@mr.nightshadow95](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mr.nightshadow95)
#### Post date: [November 21, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/23 "2015-11-21T20:03:59Z")
yes, yes they are.
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### Author:  [@AngryGumball](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AngryGumball)
#### Post date: [November 21, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/24 "2015-11-21T20:14:02Z")
> [@RomulusR1](#):
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> However you did get me thinking… Is 4A (off-string) really considered yo-yoing? It seems to be in its own class of throwing. Without doubt it is the odd one in the group. Lets look back to what you said:
> "A spoollike toy consisting of two thick wooden, plastic, or metal disks connected by a dowel pin in the center to which a string is attached, one end being looped around the player’s finger so that the toy can be spun out and reeled in by wrist motion.
> [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com)
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> Lets let that simmer… :o
> I want to hear your opinions my fellow throwers! 😃
Is it still a yoyo when your string snaps? :wink:
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### Author:  [@yooldman](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yooldman)
#### Post date: [November 21, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/25 "2015-11-21T22:30:45Z")
> [@AngryGumball](#):
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> Is it still a yoyo when your string snaps? :wink:
No, it becomes a dangerous projectile.
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### Author:  [@seanthegiraffe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/seanthegiraffe)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/26 "2015-11-22T07:03:14Z")
If we give unresponsive yoyos a whole different name, then i think it would be a lot more complicated to explain to non-yoyoers what they are…
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### Author:  [@Dust](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dust)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/27 "2015-11-22T16:35:06Z")
> [@MikeEff](#):
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> A definition of automobile is "a self-propelled passenger vehicle that usually has four wheels and an internal-combustion engine, used for land transport.
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> I drive a stick shift car. It is not “self propelled”. An automatic transmission might idle and move the car slowly on its own, but my car will not. I have to interact with the car for it to move and satisfy the “land transport” portion of the definition. That’s why they call it a manual car. But it’s still a car.
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> An unresponsive yoyo is like a manual yoyo. But it’s still a yoyo. Standard definitions need to be updated. Notice the mention of an internal-combustion engine above. Elon Musk might have something to say about that. Tell your friend it’s the 21st century, man!
I stand with Mike on this one. The analogy of automatic and manual cars is spot on!
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### Author:  [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/28 "2015-11-22T16:59:27Z")
Suppose you ask merriam webster what electricity is, and then ben franklin. Who would you trust?
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/29 "2015-11-22T19:49:20Z")
So based on all this abstract reasoning then illogical minds would indicate that: bearings that fail are no longer bearings and strings that break are no longer strings and axles that snap are no longer axles?
I have an alternate name for people that use convoluted reasoning to generate threads with no valid substance other than banter. But following Board policy, I am not allowed to use certain accurately descriptive words to identify that type of disfunctional grey matter.
So the family friendly word would be ‘Jello’.
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### Author:  [@bhagwad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bhagwad)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/30 "2015-11-22T21:42:03Z")
> [@yoyodoc](#):
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> So based on all this abstract reasoning then illogical minds would indicate that: bearings that fail are no longer bearings and strings that break are no longer strings and axles that snap are no longer axles?
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> I have an alternate name for people that use convoluted reasoning to generate threads with no valid substance other than banter. But following Board policy, I am not allowed to use certain accurately descriptive words to identify that type of disfunctional grey matter.
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> So the family friendly word would be ‘Jello’.
Is this an implication that you consider unresponsive throws as “broken” yoyos?
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/31 "2015-11-22T21:46:34Z")
> [@bhagwad](#):
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> Is this an implication that you consider unresponsive throws as “broken” yoyos?
Would you consider an empty milk carton ‘empty’?
Put down that bucket of jello…
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### Author:  [@bhagwad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bhagwad)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/32 "2015-11-22T21:55:13Z")
> [@yoyodoc](#):
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> Would you consider an empty milk carton ‘empty’?
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> Put down that bucket of jello…
I’m sorry, I don’t understand you…
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### Author:  [@MarHaiYoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarHaiYoyo)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/33 "2015-11-22T22:18:13Z")
> [@wishiwasayoyoexpert](#):
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> So if we put a yoyo in a closed box with a timed capsule (we don’t know how much time is on it) that will make the yoyo cease to exist, then we could say it is simultaneously a yoyo and not a yoyo, invalidating all of the definitions here.
You sir, just made my day…
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### Author:  [@\_RTD\_alecto](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/_RTD_alecto)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/34 "2015-11-22T23:23:30Z")
> [@bhagwad](#):
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> I’m sorry, I don’t understand you…
to translate yoyodocs sarcasm and a few other words he would rather not say on family forum.
yoyodoc thinks this thread is utter rubbish… He thinks time would be better spent talking about jello then about are bearing yoyos really yoyos…
Now what i say… Of course bearing yoyos are yoyos would you say a hairlless cat is not a cat… It just doesn’t have some of the qualities that other cats have because of the genetic rendering it inherited from its parents.
yoyos with bearings are just the same as yoyos with bearings…
Yoyos with bearings just have bearings other then having a fixed axle. This thread is really just nonsense if they weren’t really yoyos someone smarter then all of us would have figured it out now and sold it under another name…
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### Author:  [@bhagwad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bhagwad)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/35 "2015-11-22T23:28:05Z")
> [@alecto](#):
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> to translate yoyodocs sarcasm and a few other words he would rather not say on family forum.
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> yoyodoc thinks this thread is utter rubbish… He thinks time would be better spent talking about jello then about are bearing yoyos really yoyos…
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> Now what i say… Of course bearing yoyos are yoyos would you say a hairlless cat is not a cat… It just doesn’t have some of the qualities that other cats have because of the genetic rendering it inherited from its parents.
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> yoyos with bearings are just the same as yoyos with bearings…
> Yoyos with bearings just have bearings other then having a fixed axle. This thread is really just nonsense if they weren’t really yoyos someone smarter then all of us would have figured it out now and sold it under another name…
Is this thread about bearings/no-bearings or responsive/unresponsive yoyos?
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### Author:  [@\_RTD\_alecto](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/_RTD_alecto)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/36 "2015-11-22T23:30:11Z")
unresponsive throws usually have a bearing i have yet to see a fixed axle really get the unresponsive down… Well maybe gn yoyo co. text…but that also doesn’t really count as a yoyo…
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### Author:  [@GoCrazyForYoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GoCrazyForYoyo)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2015, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/37 "2015-11-23T00:06:44Z")
Alecto and Yoyodoc are out of jello, and they simply can’t understand the knowledge of yo-yos not being yo-yos if the don’t fit uninformed/dated dictionary definitions. That’s all.
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### Author:  [@\_RTD\_alecto](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/_RTD_alecto)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2015, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/38 "2015-11-23T00:36:40Z")
> [@Amplified](#):
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> Alecto and Yoyodoc are out of jello, and they simply can’t understand the knowledge of yo-yos not being yo-yos if the don’t fit uninformed/dated dictionary definitions. That’s all.
you callin me stupid…
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### Author:  [@GoCrazyForYoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GoCrazyForYoyo)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/39 "2015-11-23T01:44:11Z")
> [@alecto](#):
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> you callin me stupid…
Just stating that you’re part of the solution via sarcasm.
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### Author:  [@Morgoroth](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Morgoroth)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/are-unresponsive-throws-really-yoyos/78036/40 "2015-11-23T13:32:05Z")
Boomerangs that don’t return are called Frisbees…
I’m an English Major and Teacher so I feel like I should point out, that Dictionaries don’t define words.
People define words and the dictionary tries to put the generally conferred upon definition into words on a page.
A definition will never be totally accurate for everyone who uses the word because we all use words in different ways.
According to your definitions this is also a yoyo:
[http://old.creativechild.com/template/userfiles/images/toys/Big-Time-Toys---Yo-Yo-Ball.jpg](http://old.creativechild.com/template/userfiles/images/toys/Big-Time-Toys---Yo-Yo-Ball.jpg)
But, no one really thinks this is a yoyo.
Old yoer is right about fighting Unresponsive. I did the same thing.
I swore I would always play responsive. But, eventually I gave in to the darkside, and never looked back. It’s just too much fun, sorry Ed 😃
For the record, I do play responsive still now and then. It’s not like you can’t go back and forth.
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