# Any word on this new version of Miracle? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 19, 2024, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706 "2024-09-19T05:19:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![KiLbUcK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kilbuck/32/794_2.png) [@KiLbUcK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/KiLbUcK)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/22 "2024-09-20T17:14:23Z")
It seems like they would put a ring through the nipple if they pierced it šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![theendofcake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theendofcake/32/245990_2.png) [@theendofcake](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theendofcake)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/23 "2024-09-20T17:36:04Z")
[![Aggressor](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/d/0/9d05684ffcd3c1d8603ddbab4394e50370e0a7c4.jpeg)](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/cdn/shop/files/Pink-Gold-Rims-Aggressor_1024x1024.jpg?v=1707936546) aggressor did it first ---
**Author:** ![CrazyGentrySteinFan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/crazygentrysteinfan/32/306420_2.png) [@CrazyGentrySteinFan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/CrazyGentrySteinFan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/24 "2024-09-21T00:05:49Z")
i learned from brandon vu that the nubs help the axle sit in place when the aluminum is very thin. If the nubs are ā€œpiercedā€ then it must mean theā€™re isnt enough metal around the axle to keep it in place ---
**Author:** ![Tempura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tempura/32/246135_2.png) [@Tempura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Tempura)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/25 "2024-09-21T00:29:42Z")
The actual difference with a hub vs a flat cup is that it lets the yoyo use a longer axle which makes stripping less likely at the expense of weight distribution. Drilling through the cup used to be more common with older yoyos without hubs, technically itā€™s slightly more durable, but I think the main difference is its slightly easier for the manufacturer. ---
**Author:** ![Simyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@Simyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Simyo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/26 "2024-09-21T02:08:21Z")
I picked it up at worlds, I believe the Kimā€™s listed them on their site. Did you have any questions about it? ---
**Author:** ![Simyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@Simyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Simyo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/27 "2024-09-21T02:11:35Z")
I missed the how does it play part, it plays heavier than a shutter elite, but similar at least to the Al version of the og miracle, its wider and I assume itā€™s better for catching the crazy hook combos that mir does. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodoc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyodoc/32/48820_2.png) [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/28 "2024-09-21T05:08:06Z")
> [@CrazyGentrySteinFan](#): > > learned from brandon vu that the nubs help the axle sit in place when the aluminum is very thin. If the nubs are ā€œpiercedā€ then it must mean theā€™re isnt enough metal around the axle to keep it in place The above is incorrectā€¦ The ā€˜belowā€™ is correctā€¦ > [@Tempura](#): > > The actual difference with a hub vs a flat cup is that it lets the yoyo use a longer axle which makes stripping less likely at the expense of weight distribution. Drilling through the cup used to be more common with older yoyos without hubs, technically itā€™s slightly more durable, but I think the main difference is its slightly easier for the manufacturer ---
**Author:** ![JYinLaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e57/32.png) [@JYinLaw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JYinLaw)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/29 "2024-09-21T06:08:14Z")
Wow thats quite heavy, wonder if it feels slow ---
**Author:** ![Simyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@Simyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Simyo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/30 "2024-09-21T06:38:20Z")
Iā€™ll play with it over the next few days and let you know ---
**Author:** ![JamesMH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dbc845/32.png) [@JamesMH](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JamesMH)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/31 "2024-09-21T11:42:55Z")
I think miri used the normal miracle I saw mirs miracle had the aluminum on the rim. I was right next to the stage. ---
**Author:** ![Lex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lex/32/1599_2.png) [@Lex](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lex)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706/32 "2024-09-21T11:47:25Z")
Ah yes youā€™re right, my bad. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/any-word-on-this-new-version-of-miracle/409706.md?page=1)