# Alleycat 650b response **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Mods and Maintenance\ **Created:** [August 10, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535 "2020-08-10T17:39:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![samjonester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samjonester/32/93390_2.png) [@samjonester](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/samjonester)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/1 "2020-08-10T17:39:52Z")
This alleycat 650b has been getting a lot of love lately, as you can see. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/6/f/a6f0c153c9714899e9df29b4251083ba6ee9a1c9.jpeg) It looks like the pink coreco pads are sold out everywhere. Has anyone had success on this yoyo with flowable silicone? Something else I should try instead? ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/2 "2020-08-10T17:47:38Z")
You’ll need a .555 pad, the AlleyCat OG used Chaz Pads or Duncan Friction Stickers > **[Dif-E-Yo DIF Pads](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/dif-e-yo-yoyo-dif-pads)** > > Dif-E-Yo pads have become widely popular as pads that last a long time while giving good strong binds. Used in a variety of yo-yos and available in two sizes.Thin pads are .015 inches thick and are for less response.Thick pads are .030 inches thick... > **[General-Yo Response Pads](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/general-yo-yoyo-response-pads)** > > These are replacement response pads for both your General-Yo yo-yos and other brands.General-Yo uses a special aerospace silicone that lasts much longer than standard silicone, and the binds are spot on.Choose your size from the traditional 555 size... > **[Yo-Yo Response](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yo-yo-response)** ---
**Author:** ![yoyojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e99b99/32.png) [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/3 "2020-08-10T17:53:50Z")
Those pads don’t work for small bearing ---
**Author:** ![samjonester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samjonester/32/93390_2.png) [@samjonester](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/samjonester)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/4 "2020-08-10T17:57:24Z")
Thank you! Do you happen to know about the thickness as well? The Dif-E-Yo pads come in .015" & .03" thickness, and the General-Yo has thick/thin (I’m guessing similar dimensions). Should I assume recessed and flush? Or is one the correct choice for the 650b? EDIT: Thanks @yoyojoe! I guess it doesn’t matter 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/5 "2020-08-10T18:06:49Z")
.555 pads or 13.7mm are for small Duncan A bearings. The Chaz Pads came in the Kick Starter Weekenders while the new CoreCos were being restocked. Here is an article about the OG Alleycat that originally used Duncan Stickers. The last run of OG Alleycats switched to the CoreCo pads prior to the 650B. > **[Let's talk Alleycats](https://core-co-yoyos.myshopify.com/blogs/news/lets-talk-alleycats)** > > Designed by responsive players for responsive players > > I consulted and collaborated with some of the best responsive/fixed axle players in the world when designing this yoyo. This list includes Ed Haponik, Nate Sutter, and Drew Tetz. Nate is an old... ---
**Author:** ![yoyojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e99b99/32.png) [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/6 "2020-08-10T18:18:40Z")
This was copied from the yoyowiki page on pads. ".555 pads are named because their inner diameter is .555 of an inch. .555 pads fit in large bearing yo-yos with a lip between the bearing and the pad. " ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/7 "2020-08-10T18:26:02Z")
From that other YoYo Site with trick tutorials. From How to make your A bearing Drifter Unresposive; " Thin .555 Silicone Brake Pads are perfect for unresponsive play. Silicone is an ideal material for getting tight binds, and the pads are thin enough that they will stay out of your way during string tricks. We include these pads in the Unresponsive Kits for the Luminator , the Metal Drifter, and the Freehand Yoyos" These pads are thinner, than Duncan Stickers. ---
**Author:** ![yoyojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e99b99/32.png) [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/8 "2020-08-10T18:28:06Z")
Metal drifter is a C sized bearing instead of A ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/9 "2020-08-10T18:28:16Z")
> [@samjonester](#): > > 0.03" thickness Thicker is more responsive. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/10 "2020-08-10T18:29:25Z")
Not the original 2010 Drifter. That is the newer version from [2016](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/duncan-metal-drifter-yoyo?variant=1111858348040) that comes with 19mm pads. > **[Duncan Metal Drifter](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Duncan_Metal_Drifter)** > > The Metal Drifter by Duncan is a metal yo-yo released in 2010 as part of the De-Luxxe series. It is a metal version of the cancelled Drifter yo-yo. The Metal Drifter, which debuted at the 2010 World Yo-Yo Contest, is an aluminum Butterfly-shaped... ## Chaz Pads [![Gold Pure](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/0/9/20921927020f6e32efc4e52910584e3d09ea3bd8.jpeg)](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/yoyo/images/9/96/Gold_Pure.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20091029221128) A Pure with a Chaz Pad **Chaz Pads** are an updated form of the Baz Pads. They are also made from Plasti-dip, but produced by Charles Schluer, not Bazmonkey. They come in the .555 size. These are no longer produced but were briefly revived in 2017 with an extra thick version for the [Core Co Alleycat](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Core_Co_Alleycat) release. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/11 "2020-08-10T18:38:10Z")
Also from Wiki ## Dif-e-Yo [![IT2](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/9/4/594fd3e53f1eb4a99e1a0c15357d5feb4de491cd.jpeg)](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/yoyo/images/a/a2/IT2.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20090814003546) An IT with a Dif Pad ### Dif Pads The **Dif Pads** by [Dif-e-Yo](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Dif-e-Yo) are made of a rubber-like material, and were first introduced in August 2003. Although they come as standard in all Dif-e-Yo yo-yos from 2003 onwards, they are also often added to other yo-yos by yo-yoers to make them less responsive. They come in two different thicknesses: 0.015" and 0.03", referred to as ‘thin’ and ‘thick’ Dif Pads. Thick pads are more responsive than thin pads since they protrude farther into the gap. They come in both large and .555 sizes. Last I checked Large Bearings were C bearings. ---
**Author:** ![yoyojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e99b99/32.png) [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/12 "2020-08-10T18:56:04Z")
The alley cat is small bearing Pulled form it’s yoyoexpert page Bearing Size: Heavily Lubed Size A (5x10x4 mm ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/13 "2020-08-10T18:57:07Z")
Small A bearing, yes it is. 0.555 pads are for small bearings > [@Exmime](#): > > They come in both large and .555 sizes. One needs 0.555 size Dif Pads for A bearing yoyos, that is what I have in several Freehands. If I want more response I use two 0.03". For unresponsive play one 0.015 Dif Pad does the trick. I even once put a Core Co pad on a Freehand Zero.There is a hole thread dedicated to A bearings called [A Sized Bearing YoYo Love (Small Bearings) - #73 by Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-sized-bearing-yoyo-love-small-bearings/297062/73) ---
**Author:** ![yoyojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e99b99/32.png) [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/14 "2020-08-10T20:34:31Z")
![Screenshot_20200810-130330](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/8/e/e8e0ddcc0735c85b41e2d6dd53dc17d6023e5cf7.jpeg) I can’t tell if you’re just messing with me now. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/15 "2020-08-10T20:43:50Z")
Before there were CoroCo Pads; Core Co put 0.555 Chaz Pads in the Alleycat ## Chaz Pads [![Gold Pure](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/0/9/20921927020f6e32efc4e52910584e3d09ea3bd8.jpeg)](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/yoyo/images/9/96/Gold_Pure.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20091029221128) A Pure with a Chaz Pad **Chaz Pads** are an updated form of the Baz Pads. They are also made from Plasti-dip, but produced by Charles Schluer, not Bazmonkey. They come in the .555 size. These are no longer produced but were briefly revived in 2017 with an extra thick version for the [Core Co Alleycat](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Core_Co_Alleycat) release. > [@Alleycat 650b response](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/10): > > Not the original 2010 Drifter. That is the newer version from [2016](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/duncan-metal-drifter-yoyo?variant=1111858348040) that comes with 19mm pads. Chaz Pads [[Gold Pure]](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/yoyo/images/9/96/Gold_Pure.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20091029221128) A Pure with a Chaz Pad Chaz Pads are an updated form of the Baz Pads. They are also made from Plasti-dip, but produced by Charles Schluer, not Bazmonkey. They come in the .555 size. These are no longer produced but were briefly revived in 2017 with an extra thick version for the [Core Co Alleycat](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/Core_Co_Alleycat) release. ---
**Author:** ![yoyojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e99b99/32.png) [@yoyojoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyojoe)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/16 "2020-08-10T20:56:28Z")
![MVIMG_20200810_145521](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/a/3/1a3961bb0b5d128587b9a0bd6fc30936c18fb74e.jpeg) I took a picture to make sure but here is a bazpad with a small bearing (A) in the center. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/17 "2020-08-10T21:26:59Z")
You are in luck big restock of Duncan Friction stickers at YYE . 761 4 packs > **[Duncan Response](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/duncan-silicone-groove-sg-yoyo-stickers?variant=41206787997886)** > > This is replacement response for your silicone groove Duncan yo-yos like the new Raptor and Duncan's future aluminum yo-yo releases.The 19mm pads are also compatible with any yo-yos that use the CBC Slim Pad Size 19mm OD.Not sure if it will fit? Feel... ---
**Author:** ![samjonester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samjonester/32/93390_2.png) [@samjonester](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/samjonester)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/18 "2020-08-10T22:10:47Z")
Well I just ordered friction stickers, .555 thick diff-e-yo pads, and .555 thick textured general-yo pads. I’ll post back with the results… for science! ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/19 "2020-08-12T22:50:35Z")
[quote=“Exmime, post:13, topic:325535, full:true”] Small A bearing, yes it is. 0.555 pads are for small bearings No, they are for “C” size bearings as yoyojoe notes. ---
**Author:** ![samjonester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samjonester/32/93390_2.png) [@samjonester](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/samjonester)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/alleycat-650b-response/325535/20 "2020-08-15T03:22:43Z")
Here’s the .555 thick textured General Yo pads. The inner diameter was just a touch too big as you can see in the second picture. They’re thicker than the core co pads as well and protrude a bit. The response is very snappy. I grease the bearing heavily, use YYSL Type X, and a single bearing wrap. Before, I had a bit of hesitation at the end of the string, that’s gone with these pads (at least while they’re fresh). A sleeper that isn’t true sounds like a starburst response, and dies very quickly, though :joy: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/7/3/e73d3aed0d6d441df2edfef7fdae99bb6deffcde.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/4/4/5441f16059412fc0b3f61fc2fc5503c321972b2a.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/7/7/a/77ac3336a43eb7ed7fc49fffaf6e6c5fb94d1192.jpeg)