# A-RT (Alternate - Return Tops) Alternatives **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [September 1, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223 "2022-09-01T18:21:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![UnluckyOwl53](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/unluckyowl53/32/190567_2.png) [@UnluckyOwl53](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/UnluckyOwl53)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/62 "2022-11-05T20:31:55Z")
How much should b7s cost on bst? Saw a clear one going for 150 ---
**Author:** ![SR1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sr1/32/104603_2.png) [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/63 "2022-11-05T20:35:49Z")
I paid 150 for my clear as well awhile back ---
**Author:** ![SlowYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slowyo/32/162943_2.png) [@SlowYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SlowYo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/64 "2022-11-17T18:29:15Z")
pretty much every organic O shaped yoyo ive ever bought i compare to the B7 and literally nothing has ever come close to the same feel. ---
**Author:** ![Deadboots](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/deadboots/32/187928_2.png) [@Deadboots](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Deadboots)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 3:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/65 "2022-11-18T03:26:57Z")
I feel the same way about the OG Grail. It’s difficult to find a passable counterpart. ---
**Author:** ![SlowYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slowyo/32/162943_2.png) [@SlowYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SlowYo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/66 "2022-11-18T14:40:34Z")
i know i probs sounded like a fan boy but its true. thats not so say that the other stuff isnt good. they just nailed it with that one ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/67 "2022-12-17T17:57:57Z")
Playing my Show Pony this morning and agree, the size of a Grail but the center weight and the negative rim weight of the Inhaler. However the Show Pony is also a lot smoother and maybe has little more dampening. Supposedly the Show Girl is a little smaller and a bit heavier, might have to pick one of those up if one ever comes up. > **[Show Pony](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/show-pony-yoyo-by-rain-city)** > > The Story of the Showpony: A couple of years ago when Rain City Skills was breaking into the market, a Facebook friend reached out with his dream yoyo design and just wanted to get a handful made so he could have one. He invited some friends to split... ---
**Author:** ![bheinz63](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bheinz63/32/137310_2.png) [@bheinz63](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bheinz63)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/68 "2022-12-17T20:05:35Z")
The inhaler and showpony play nothing alike, I havent played a grail so I cant make that comparion but inhaler and showpony are not similar at all other than being round. Inhaler has SO much center weight, the showpony is quite stable and has some good power to it. ---
**Author:** ![Shwa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shwa/32/108351_2.png) [@Shwa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Shwa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/69 "2022-12-17T21:37:01Z")
ATMOS Abel and Grail B7. I play Abel a whole lot more!! ---
**Author:** ![theendofcake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theendofcake/32/245990_2.png) [@theendofcake](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theendofcake)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/70 "2024-03-16T00:40:11Z")
very healthy necro here, but this thread looks to be SUPER useful, hope yall and i can get some use out of it! maybe it can be updated with the newest releases? ---
**Author:** ![fradiger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fradiger/32/66850_2.png) [@fradiger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fradiger)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/72 "2024-03-16T02:49:12Z")
I think that we should not let this thread become polluted with the age old debate. This thread should have nothing to do with the actions of the A-RT brand representatives and instead be focused on the stated purpose, alternatives to the alternate return tops (had to type it because there’s wordplay!). Please don’t let yet another very useful thread be locked over this nonsense… ---
**Author:** ![theendofcake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theendofcake/32/245990_2.png) [@theendofcake](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theendofcake)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/73 "2024-03-16T03:36:46Z")
> [@4kwerie5](#): > > Are you just on an anti A/rt kick today? no not really, apologies if it came out that way! was just talking to a friend ab the quail, searched it to get more info, and saw this thread! the quoted part was in reference to the post only being a year old, but i can see how you can get it confused :3 ---
**Author:** ![Benmichael86](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/benmichael86/32/64422_2.png) [@Benmichael86](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Benmichael86)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/74 "2024-03-16T15:20:45Z")
> [@4kwerie5](#): > > look I get that the A/rt dudes are judged to not be on “team liberal” It is less to do with liberal vs conservative and more to do with being An\*\*\*\* Ta\*\* simps. This thread was started _because_ they were acting more like edgelords than they did before, and people wanted a similar experience without supporting a brand that hangs out with a dude who spent three months in a Romanian prison is currently in Romanian custody for alleged human trafficking. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/75 "2024-03-16T15:38:35Z")
Back on topic G2 SOY is an awesome alternative and if we bother Jake enough he would probably do a ti version… ---
**Author:** ![fradiger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fradiger/32/66850_2.png) [@fradiger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fradiger)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/76 "2024-03-16T15:39:06Z")
I’d like to add that the bathysphere has been filling the void for me ever since I picked it up, highly recommended. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/77 "2024-03-16T15:40:40Z")
I’m still sad I missed this one. I should have jumped when I had the chance TRT and Mk1 and a wonderful organic what was I waiting for ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/78 "2024-03-16T15:47:20Z")
> [@Isaac](#): > > Quail > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 42.2mm | 53.2mm | 61.5g | A | flowable | I’ve mentioned this in the past but the YYF Confusion GT when set up unresponsive is like a poor mans Quail… > [@Confusion (YYF)](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/confusion-yyf/325627/3): > > I like it and play it regularly along with the Confusion, I consider the Confusion GT a poor mans Quail that can get some tight binds. > [@What are you throwing today?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-are-you-throwing-today/296879/6868): > > Today I’m playing what appears to be a misunderstood throw according to this [What is the worst yoyo you own?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/what-is-the-worst-yoyo-you-own/330116) thread. This one is a bit confusing hense the name Confusion GT. This is one I copped at first drop and has been an EDC for a couple of years now. If you like pocket ability, snappy regens and tight binds these are a lot of fun. If you are a “I have a strong throw guy”, every trick you do requires multiple string layer wraps and your belt loop Yo-Yo holster is your daily dangling flare, y… > [@A Sized Bearing YoYo Love (Small Bearings)](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-sized-bearing-yoyo-love-small-bearings/297062/21): > > The Quail is definitely an A bearing leading throw these days, especially being in the A-RT family with the looks of its big brother Grail. Seems like some folks it is just not there thing or they aren’t giving it enough time. Just for the fact that the World YoYo champion applied the followable silicone to these is awesome and worth every penny. Sometimes I think of my Confusion GT as a poor mans Quail. I really enjoy mine as well and am glad I was able to get one. > [@Small bearing yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/small-bearing-yoyos/336265/30): > > It’s been awhile since I updated it last but I am a big fan of giving some [A sized bearing love](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-sized-bearing-yoyo-love-small-bearings/297062). Still have a few more to add, share and compare. ---
**Author:** ![Tempura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tempura/32/246135_2.png) [@Tempura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Tempura)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/79 "2024-03-16T16:43:12Z")
Exactly how much different is the RSO Bowl vs Holy Grail? ---
**Author:** ![Guapocamacho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/guapocamacho/32/107558_2.png) [@Guapocamacho](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Guapocamacho)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/80 "2024-03-16T19:39:02Z")
The freehand mini small bearing plays almost exactly like the Og Quail. Don’t @me ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/81 "2024-03-17T03:00:06Z")
The HG plays more dense and feels bigger, Bowl carries more float and the QC is just a little more RSO. Neither of them are a Grail however, the Original 6061 just has more bounce and hang time. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223.md?page=3)