# A-RT (Alternate - Return Tops) Alternatives **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [September 1, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223 "2022-09-01T18:21:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![skysurveil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skysurveil/32/183638_2.png) [@skysurveil](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skysurveil)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/21 "2022-09-09T02:26:29Z")
OD just manufactures the a-rt throws, they haven’t been involved with the designs. ---
**Author:** ![Applepooh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/applepooh/32/40751_2.png) [@Applepooh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Applepooh)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/22 "2022-09-09T02:34:32Z")
> [@skysurveil](#): > > just manufactures … 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![SR1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sr1/32/104603_2.png) [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/23 "2022-09-09T02:52:57Z")
…do you have evidence to the contrary? I’m a OD fanboy but it does seem they purely only manufacture the throws. ---
**Author:** ![Applepooh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/applepooh/32/40751_2.png) [@Applepooh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Applepooh)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/24 "2022-09-09T04:27:03Z")
💅🏼💅🏼💅🏼 ---
**Author:** ![SR1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sr1/32/104603_2.png) [@SR1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SR1)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/25 "2022-09-09T04:40:57Z")
🤨🤨🤨🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/26 "2022-09-09T16:57:52Z")
Thanks for all the new suggestions! I’ve updated the OP with them 🙂 I’ll also toss out the Turning Point Bacchus as a sorta-DK – it’s much heavier (4g heavier) and slimmer in width so the hollow feel is much more subtle, but it’s probably a much easier find than a Pure and uses a C bearing w/ 19mm pads so much simpler to maintain. I also added in the RCS Show Pony as a Grail / Inhaler alternative. Grail b/c the specs are pretty close and I remember them actually playing pretty similar, Inhaler b/c while it’s more Grail sized it also doesn’t have schmoove grooves (though it does have a tiny response bump) so it’s got more of a highwall organic feel which is how I’ve seen people describe the Inhaler. > [@Applepooh](#): > > > [@skysurveil](#): > > > > just manufacturers > > … 🙄 Could you expand on this @Applepooh? Does this mean you’d consider FPM, TopYo, YoYoGarden, et. al as collaborators on the yo-yos they manufacture for the numerous boutique brands out there? ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/27 "2022-09-09T21:23:22Z")
the vi ix was produced overseas if i’m not mistaken ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/28 "2022-09-09T21:34:41Z")
I’m pretty sure that’s right; I think these are the only A-RTs manufactured by One Drop: - 420 - 420 Light - Diptych - Garrett - Grail - Grail B7 - Inhaler - Life (early runs, or was it all, even w/ the adjusted bearing seat?) - Sparrow ---
**Author:** ![fatguysnacks247](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fatguysnacks247/32/81478_2.png) [@fatguysnacks247](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fatguysnacks247)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/29 "2022-09-09T21:41:18Z")
junior ---
**Author:** ![skysurveil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skysurveil/32/183638_2.png) [@skysurveil](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skysurveil)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/30 "2022-09-09T21:45:31Z")
Quail! Fern! Dale! ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/31 "2022-09-09T21:46:29Z")
> [@fatguysnacks247](#): > > junior Not technically an A-RT :wink: > [@skysurveil](#): > > Quail! > Fern! > Dale! All of these were made by One Drop 🙃 ~~None of these were made by One Drop as I understand it. It’s possible they were tumbled and anodized by them though since their ano does look to be pyramatte~~ ETA: Fe/urn was made by OD, I missed it on it’s page: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/3/d/13d5975d1c98eccbf3c6ea41059cbdaf45013258.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![mable](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mable/32/194074_2.png) [@mable](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mable)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/32 "2022-09-09T21:46:52Z")
It’s a pretty minor thing, but are there Woolly Marmot 1/2s produced by One Drop? (Woolly Markmont doesn’t count because it’s plated). One of my favorite aspects of the Quail was the pyramatte finish. I love how pyramatte feels, so the best A-rt alternatives to me would also be manufactured by One Drop. Edit: at least I _thought_ the Quail was produced by OD? The finish on it is that half-glossy, gets sticky in humid weather, but grinds shockingly decent feel that you get from pyramatte. Maybe other manufacturers tumble yoyos too so those would be included? The Quail isn’t blasted but it also wasn’t just a straight up raw anodized surface, it had that pyramatte tumbled feel. ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/33 "2022-09-09T21:50:35Z")
If there are, I think it’d be a WM2 as those released around 2014 which is closer to when CLYW and One Drop were partnered (Summit released 2013, unsure when them working together ended). The OG WM were like 2009/2010 ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/34 "2022-09-09T22:02:25Z")
Ahhh, you were right about all three, they just don’t mention One Drop on the pages for the Quail or Dale, but in DocPop’s tour of the One Drop factory they talked about A-RT throws and mentioned they made the Quail/Dale. Mystery solved! > [@Help me pick an organic please!](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/help-me-pick-an-organic-please/347830/32): > > I would need to double check w/ A-RT / One Drop but I think it’s actually fewer than I previously thought, which was all but the bi-metal like you said. When @DocPop visited them recently and [toured their playable museum](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OnZYBnMZAs), One Drop manufacturing for A-RT came up ([timestamp link](https://youtu.be/8OnZYBnMZAs?t=2369)) and it sounded like they make: 420/420 light Grail/B7 Grail Quail Dale Garrett something called the “cube”(??) They specifically mentioned that they didn’t make the DK and there was no mention of the Sucction which si… ---
**Author:** ![skysurveil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skysurveil/32/183638_2.png) [@skysurveil](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skysurveil)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/35 "2022-09-09T22:06:35Z")
Yep, only ones that weren’t are their collab yoyos: OST (69), SF (DK), UNPRLD (Sucction), etc. excluding Life. Can’t mistake that OD goodness! ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/36 "2022-09-09T22:09:09Z")
I don’t think they made the Unnamed Bimetal either or I feel like it’d get brought up constantly in a “why doesn’t One Drop make a bimetal” posts. ---
**Author:** ![skysurveil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skysurveil/32/183638_2.png) [@skysurveil](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skysurveil)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/37 "2022-09-09T22:10:23Z")
That is correct. Box specified made in Hong Kong. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/38 "2022-09-09T23:10:01Z")
Garik (Garlics) were also not OD so it would be cheaper and easier to send Ilya a package to Russia as its his budget signature. [https://www.instagram.com/p/CfMZWljLAeC/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=](https://www.instagram.com/p/CfMZWljLAeC/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=) ---
**Author:** ![bheinz63](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bheinz63/32/137310_2.png) [@bheinz63](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bheinz63)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/39 "2022-09-09T23:24:54Z")
according to a recent post from @G2_Jake all Life’s used the same machine shop aka one drop [Onedrop Machined list? - General Yo-Yo - YoYoExpert Forums](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/onedrop-machined-list/302293/44) ---
**Author:** ![Applepooh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/applepooh/32/40751_2.png) [@Applepooh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Applepooh)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/40 "2022-09-10T02:28:40Z")
> [@Isaac](#): > > Does this mean you’d consider FPM, TopYo, YoYoGarden, et. al as collaborators on the yo-yos they manufacture for the numerous boutique brands out there? No I wouldn’t. And no I don’t care to expand on anything I’ve said. This is a hobby, I don’t need to drudge histories and personal / professional relationships. Have a good weekend all. But, because I cannot resist… if you think David and Shawn have not helped Art or G2 be it Sidewalk talk, shop talk, off the record. Etc etc whatever you want to call it. Theeeennnnn ehhhh buy more yoyofriends…………………………… [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223.md?page=3)