# A-RT (Alternate - Return Tops) Alternatives **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [September 1, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223 "2022-09-01T18:21:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/1 "2022-09-01T18:21:00Z")
So let’s say you want an A-RT-esque yo-yo but don’t want an A-RT for one reason or another, what are some alternatives for each yo-yo? Let’s crowdsource a list 🙂 Gap width is listed for A-RT yo-yos where that information was provided and this list excludes their wooden yo-yos at this time. The “Dad Pads” used in a lot of A-RT yo-yos are 21mm pads like CLYW Snow Tires Each yo-yo + alternatives is in a collapsible section so to see the details you need to click on the name of the yo-yo. > **420** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 47mm | 63mm | 65.5g | C | 21mm? | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | RSO | Bowl XL | 51.5mm | 66mm | 64.7g | C | CLYW Slim/G-Grip | Not as relatively slim, but close-ish in size and weight | > **420 Light** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 47mm | 63mm | 63.5g | C | 21mm? | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Atmos | Pomelo | 55mm | 65.3mm | 61.3g | C | 19mm? | Lighter and not as relatively slim, but close in diameter | > | CLYW | Sasquatch (2022) | 54mm | 71.4mm | 62.4g | C | 21mm | much larger but dimensional proportions seem about the same, should feel lighter though considering it’s 62.5g at 71.4mm diameter | > | OPYOYOS | Balloon | 50mm | 66mm | 63g | C | 19mm? | slightly larger and lighter =\> floatier feel | > **Dale** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 42.9mm | 53.4mm | 62.5g | D | flowable (13mm ID x 19mm OD reported to fit) | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | GWAY | Daredevil | 44mm | 53.5mm | 62.32g | D | RSO x YoYoLab x Freshly Dirty | a bit wider and pretty different shape | > | HSpin | Pyro | 45.5mm | 55mm | 71.7g | D | Dif Pads (some accept silicone) | | > | YoYoFactory | 888 (small bearing) | 41.4mm | 50.55mm | 60g/64g (w/o / w/ hubstacks) | A | CBC 21mm | | > **Diptych** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 42.3mm | 55.5mm | 64.9g | C | 21mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Unspoken | Murmur | 41.88mm | 54.2mm | 63.2g | C | 19mm | | > **DK (SFyoyos collab)** > > The signature here is the hollow body capped design so specs aren’t _as_ important as finding something similarly hollow. > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 48.9mm | 54.43mm | 62.8g | C | 19mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Atmos | Fruitloop | 47mm | 53.7mm | 65.2g | C | 19mm | | > | Duncan | Freehand One AL | 40.25mm | 56mm | 65.59g | C | 19mm | | > | SPYY | Pure | 40mm | 52mm | 67g | D | silicone stickers | | > | SuperYo | Samurai | 34mm | 56mm | 63g | A | friction stickers | | > | Turning Point | Bacchus | 40.5mm | 53mm | 66.8g | C | 19mm | hollow feel is more subtle due to the extra ~4g of weight | > **Fe/urn** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 42mm | 46mm | 60.2g | D | flowable | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | CLYW | Wooly Marmot | 41mm | 50mm | 63.8g | C | 21mm | | > | Dressel Designs | Assassin | 41mm | 46.5mm | 59.5g | D | Freshly Dirty? | | > | YoYoRecreation | CLASHcube | 44mm | 44mm | 68.3g | D | YYR Size D | a clear inspiration for the Fe/urn, but much heavier | > | YoYoRecreation | Six | 42.43mm | 48.01mm | 68.4g | D | YYR Size D | also much heavier like CLASHcube | > **Garrett** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 43.4mm | 55.1mm | 63g | C | 21mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | CLYW | Sasquatch (2010) | 43mm | 55.6mm | 68.2g | C | 21mm | | > | UNPRLD | Elevation | 46.3mm | 56mm | 64.7g | C | 19mm | a bit wider and heavier | > **Garrik** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | ?? | ?? | ?? | C | 21mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | TBD | | | | | | | | > **Grail** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 44.8mm | 56.6mm | 63.5g | C | 21mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Heaven Sent | Creep | 43.71mm | 56.47mm | 65g | C | 21mm | | > | Luftverk | 000 TI7068 | 43mm | 56.5mm | 63.8g | C | 19mm | | > | Markmont. | Classic | 45.06mm | 56.13mm | 63.5g (w/ AL Markmont. SEs) | C | flow groove | | > | Markmont. | Classic Magnum Opus | 45mm | 56.13mm | 63.19g (w/ Markmont. flat cap SEs) | C | flow groove | | > | One Drop | Overture | 45mm | 57.9mm | 66.9g | C | flow groove | a larger, heftier Grail | > | Rain City Skills | Show Pony | 45.3mm | 55.2mm | 63.55g | C | 19mm | A pretty darn fine grail substitute | > | RSO | Bowl 7068 | 45mm | 56mm | 64g | C | 19mm | | > **Grail B7** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 44.8mm | 56.6mm | 62g | C | 21mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Atmos | Noah | 48.4mm | 54.3mm | 62.3g (w/ al ultra lights) | C | 19mm | | > | Luftverk | 000 | 43mm | 56.5mm | 63.2g | C | 19mm | | > | MK1 | Contact | 45.3mm | 56.9mm | 62.6g | C | 19mm | | > | Mowl | Q | 45.1mm | 57mm | 61g | C | 19mm | | > **Inhaler** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 42.92mm | 53.83mm | 62.2g/63.2g (“nominal/heavier dose”) | C | 21mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Heaven Sent | Creep | 43.71mm | 56.47mm | 65g | C | 21mm | | > | Rain City Skills | Show Pony | 45.3mm | 55.2mm | 63.55g | C | 19mm | grail sized w/o schmoove grooves | > **Life (G2 collab)** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 44.5mm | 56.7mm | 64.8g | C | 21mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | G2 | Afterlife | ?? | ?? | ?? | C | ?? | unreleased, a more G2-inspired variation of the Life | > | Heaven Sent | Creep | 43.71mm | 56.47mm | 65g | C | 21mm | | > | Markmont. | Classic | 45.06mm | 56.13mm | 63.5g (w/ AL Markmont. SEs) | C | flow groove | | > **Quail** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 42.2mm | 53.2mm | 61.5g | A | flowable | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Duncan | MayheM (2009) | 40mm | 52mm | 62g | A | Duncan Silicone Stickers | | > | Duncan | Metal Drifter (2010) | 39.3mm | 52.6mm | 62.2g/58.4g/61g (1st/2nd/3rd run) | A | Duncan Silicone Stickers (small-bearing) | | > **Sparrow** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 41.3mm | 50.3mm | 60.5g | C | 21mm? | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | CLYW | Wooly Marmot | 41mm | 50mm | 63.8g | C | 21mm | | > | Duncan | Raptor (2016) | 40.28mm | 52.82mm | 58.6g | C | Duncan SG Stickers | | > | SPYY | Spyder 2 | 42.4mm | 49.6mm | 66.3g | C | 19mm | heftier sparrow | > **Sucction (UNPRLD collab)** > > Signature feature here is the 7075 body with 6061 caps > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 44.5mm | 54.8mm | 64.4g | C | 19mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Duncan | Freehand AL | 41.3mm | 55.9mm | 65.5g | C | 19mm | | > | UNPRLD | Motif | ?? | ?? | ?? | C | 19mm | unreleased Daniel Kim signature | > **Triptych** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Gap | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 43.1mm | 56.2mm | 62.1g | 3.9mm | C | 21mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Gap | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | CLYW | Canvas | 41.29mm | 54.59mm | 66.1g | ~4mm | C | 21mm | heavier, good luck finding one for a reasonable amount | > | RSO | The End Part II (Finale) | 39mm | 52mm | 65.5g | 4.4mm | C | 19mm | | > | Throwing Sideways | Sistine | 45mm | 55mm | 63g | 4.45mm | C | 19mm | much larger gap | > **VI IX aka 69 (Old School Throws collab)** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 46mm | 52.7mm | 64.3g | C | 21mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | CLYW | Wooly Marmot 2 | 45.1mm | 51.7mm | 65.3g | C | 21mm | | > | Old School Throws | Quint | 36.6mm | 52.3mm | 63.1g | C | 19mm | much slimmer | > **▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉ aka Unnamed Bi-Metal** > > #### Specs > > | Width | Diameter | Weight | Gap | Bearing | Pads | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | 42mm | 57.98mm | 67.2g | 4.44mm | C | 19mm | > > #### Alternatives > > | Brand | Name | Width | Diameter | Weight | Gap | Bearing | Pads | Notes | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | YoYoRecreation | Inevitable | 42.51mm | 55.95mm | 65.69g | 4.45mm | C | 19mm | | > | YoYoRecreation | Tone | 44.6mm | 56mm | 65g | 4.52mm | C | 19mm | a bit wider, smaller, and lighter | ---
**Author:** ![mable](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mable/32/194074_2.png) [@mable](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mable)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/2 "2022-09-01T18:48:31Z")
The only a-rt I’ve been fortunate enough to try is the Quail but I thought it was pretty great. In my opinion the old A bearing Metal Drifter is a pretty solid comparison to it, and a bit easier to find/cheaper than an og Mayhem. A bearing, 61-62g 52x39 dimensions. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/3 "2022-09-01T19:11:48Z")
> [@Isaac](#): > > G2 Dad pads “Dad Pads” are an [A-RT thing](https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj6TM3ZnOc2/). They were just used in the G2/A-RT Life, and are using the CLYW 21mm Snow Tire standard. I know some of the older G2s also used the 21mm well for flowable, however G2 these days are on the 19mm standard. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/c/a/4ca024ecb5687f9cf5f66b8e99eca3fc1f082dfd.jpeg) That being said the Heaven Sent Creep is a rather “Grail” equivalent Diameter: 56.47 mm Width: 43.71 mm Weight: 65 grams Bearing: Size C Response: CLYW Snow Tires [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/3/e/a3e44cfb2d83665f07e6a936e646b07eeb91493a.jpeg "Heaven Sent - Creep") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUTrLOo3u6s) ---
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Duncan raptor 2 is an underrated gem that has a very A Return Tops vibe. Also one drop overture for those who like the grail but want something a little heavier. Honestly anything organic is going to get you in the ball park. ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/5 "2022-09-01T19:28:46Z")
> [@Exmime](#): > > “Dad Pads” are an A-RT thing. They were just used in the G2/A-RT Life, and are using the CLYW 21mm Snow Tire standard. I just assumed they were G2 commissioned since G2 is the only place I know to buy them; I know they’re the same as Snow Tires, just writing Dad Pads was shorter than writing “Dad Pads/Snow Tires” everywhere they’re used 😅 I’ll update the thread with the info though 🙂 > [@mable](#): > > The only a-rt I’ve been fortunate enough to try is the Quail but I thought it was pretty great. In my opinion the old A bearing Metal Drifter is a pretty solid comparison to it, and a bit easier to find/cheaper than an og Mayhem. A bearing, 61-62g 52x39 dimensions. This is great and exactly why I started the thread, I had no idea there was an old A-bearing Metal Drifter! ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/6 "2022-09-01T19:29:20Z")
> [@Zacy](#): > > Duncan raptor 2 Yeah Raptor 2018 is very underrated and with out the caps its very Sparrow/ Junior like with a similar Schmoove Groove > **[Duncan](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/Duncan?_pos=3&_sid=4ba11870d&_ss=r)** > > Duncan is the most widely recognized yo-yo name in the entire world. Since 1929, the name "Duncan" has been synonymous with "yo-yo" across the United States, and for good reason! Their yo-yos represent the top-of-the-line for beginners or... ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/c/b/dcba393636c55581541aa519e75bcdfbeba9f294.jpeg) Diameter: 52.82 mm / 2.08 inches Width: 40.28 mm / 1.58 inches Gap Width: 4.00 mm / 0.16 inches Weight: 58.6 grams ---
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> [@Exmime](#): > > Weight: 58.6 grams ok who has a clear raptor to sell me. ---
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Wouldn’t say a creep is a grail equiv, its far more narrow and highwall-y. I would say the creep is closer to the Inhaler if anything. Also a Triptych is far closer to a Canvas due to the rimweight, although in terms of BST availability I would say an End pt II is very similar feeling. Sucction and duncan al freehand is a pretty good equivalent feel For a life, a markmont classic feels pretty on par, or an atmos stormberry Inhaler is like a more centerweighted sistine, or a creep as mentioned above Grails/B7s feel verrrry similar to me, infact Im willing to bet if you put a blindfold and earplug on someone and had em throw both that they would struggle to tell the difference–that being said, a 000, Bowl, atmos Noah with ultralights Garrett feels like a sasquatch Furns are like wooly marmots/WM2’s DK is almost identical to a fruitloop, tried both one after another at a meet recently Dale is like a small bearing 888, I would even put a pyro in as a comparison, albeit the dale is more stable than a pyro. 420 is pretty spot on with pomelo ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/9 "2022-09-01T20:56:13Z")
Thanks for the extensive list, I’ll work them into the OP now! I actually just moved the Creep to the Life alternatives b/c the specs seemed more similar and they felt similar enough to me playing them back to back. I don’t have an Inhaler so I can’t comment on it’s similarity to the Creep. Which version of the Sasquatch did you feel was similar to the Garrett? There’s been so many versions of it that are all pretty different. ---
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The OG that was basically like the avalanche but had rounded rims ---
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I dunno the dk felt very different to the fruitloop. Maybe the comfort in hand element is the same but they play very different to me. ---
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Mmm maybe the fruitloop is like a more undersized variant, but when it comes down to it it has that hollow bubble feel all the same ---
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The OD Parlay is almost an A-RT Dale with a C bearing and side effects, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Isaac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/isaac/32/597931_2.png) [@Isaac](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Isaac)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/14 "2022-09-02T17:23:57Z")
Eh, the D-bearing is essential to the feel of the Dale imho and the Parlay being a C-bearing doesn’t really replicate that even though it’s close in weight and size. The Parlay is also more rim weighted so has a bit of a “heftier” feel to it vs the Dale (which has a more even weight distribution like the Grail) at the same weight. This does make me wish for D-bearing side effects though b/c a D-bearing Parlay sounds awesome 😄 ---
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nice thread @Isaac , thank you for doing this! ---
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I have a 69 and have had the pleasure of playing with a friend’s WM2, and in a way I think they are all the same except they look different. ---
**Author:** ![tallsunnovagun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tallsunnovagun/32/168418_2.png) [@tallsunnovagun](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tallsunnovagun)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/17 "2022-09-06T06:45:37Z")
I’ve played a Grail and Sparrow and while nothing really came close to the Grail, the Spyder 2 feels like a slightly heftier Sparrow, it’s definitely kept me sated until the day I get the smol birb. The Markmont Classic feels closer to the Grail when it’s running ultralights but even then they’re way different. From the forum input I’d say the Creep is the closer Grail soul-brother ---
**Author:** ![MaximShoots](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/maximshoots/32/171131_2.png) [@MaximShoots](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MaximShoots)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/18 "2022-09-07T01:27:54Z")
![3V5A0108-2-1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/8/f/a8fcaeed6d12a5f73381f5688dbac6616dcdfc3a.jpeg) Although not exact in specs and I doubt it’s close in play to the 420L, but OP Balloon comes in at 66mm 50mm wide and 63g ---
**Author:** ![Nova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nova/32/172750_2.png) [@Nova](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nova)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/19 "2022-09-07T01:36:06Z")
Not that I would ever condone such a thing, but I hear that the clones play the same as the originals but with less vibe 💅🏻 ---
**Author:** ![Applepooh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/applepooh/32/40751_2.png) [@Applepooh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Applepooh)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223/20 "2022-09-09T01:45:55Z")
> [@Exmime](#): > > G2/A-RT Life Let’s not forget OD…… pretty sure it was a 3some. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-rt-alternate-return-tops-alternatives/362223.md?page=2)