# A question for judges **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458 "2014-09-14T23:56:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![stuarttw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/1 "2014-09-14T23:56:44Z")
Would a complete horizontal prelim with a little under 15 seconds per combo at a medium sized state make it past prelims easily? (Asking because this is what I’m doing :)) ---
**Author:** ![Nikolai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8491ac/32.png) [@Nikolai](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nikolai)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/2 "2014-09-15T01:02:47Z")
I can’t really vouch with any competition experience but from reading the rules you want to make sure that you don’t run in to the same elements too much. And since horizontal tends to fall towards a lot of lindyloops, double-ons, and underpasses etc. you might get less clicks. However not having seen your routine it’d be hard to say. I wouldn’t limit to all horizontal personally if I were you. I’ve seen your videos and I bet the judges would like some of those tricks for sure! (trick dump comes to mind) Anyways I’m sure you will do great you are very skilled and best of luck! ---
**Author:** ![rizki\_yoist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rizki_yoist/32/7925_2.png) [@rizki\_yoist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rizki_yoist)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/3 "2014-09-15T04:06:01Z")
It depends on the trick really, maybe post a video and I’ll click for you to compare with others? ---
**Author:** ![Gambit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gambit/32/1358_2.png) [@Gambit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Gambit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/4 "2014-09-15T12:12:22Z")
> [@stuarttw](#): > > Would a complete horizontal prelim with a little under 15 seconds per combo at a medium sized state make it past prelims easily? (Asking because this is what I’m doing :)) It’s hard to tell without actually seeing a video of your prelim. Personally (just my opinion), I wouldn’t do an entirely horizontal prelim. Its hard to fit that many unique string hits into horizontal play, so you’re at risk of getting scored less for repeating elements. Perhaps a tech-y combo first followed by a horizontal one would be more judge-friendly…? ---
**Author:** ![cbeckford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@cbeckford](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/cbeckford)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/5 "2014-09-15T12:50:58Z")
Leads to a low variation score and bores the judges to click less. I wouldn’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![stuarttw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/6 "2014-09-15T13:11:15Z")
Just to clear up one point, it would be different angles of horizontal (frontstyle, breakaway, under the legs, etc.), and the tricks would be differentish. But I see what you guys are saying. ---
**Author:** ![kadabrium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kadabrium/32/1522_2.png) [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/7 "2014-09-15T13:23:15Z")
Objectively there are definitely enough different types of tricks for you to not lose points specifically in variation, at least when compared to a typical prelims tech/string-hits routine. Even the simplest classification gives braintwister/splitbottom/gerbils, inverted braintwister/splitbottom/gerbils, eli hops/black hops, behind the back right/left, around the waist/leg, halos, whips and lacerations, regens, and also over the arm variations of most of those above. It may be a different story whether these tricks themselves inherently score well, but just looking at variation I doubt an average asian speed player has more variation than that in a generic prelims fs. ---
**Author:** ![stuarttw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@stuarttw](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stuarttw)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/8 "2014-09-15T20:56:27Z")
Anybody else? I’ll probably end up throwing in 1 or 2 horizontal (EDIT: meant to say vertical) tricks. The reason i brought this up is that I wanted to do it just for fun, but I was wondering if it was safe. ---
**Author:** ![kadabrium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kadabrium/32/1522_2.png) [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/9 "2014-09-15T21:10:26Z")
> [@stuarttw](#): > > Anybody else? I’ll probably end up throwing in 1 or 2 horizontal tricks. The reason i brought this up is that I wanted to do it just for fun, but I was wondering if it was safe. Mickey split atom boingy some brain twister regen black hops/circular hops bind Chia left to right behind the back transfer regen under the leg eli hops bind Iori fingerspin start over arm eli hops more braintwister regen inverse gerbil Chia UFO orbit regen Ahmad around the waist bind Ogi crossarm halo halo suicide behind the back halo behind the back regen to front regen Takeshi DoN bind ---
**Author:** ![Raigo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/raigo/32/1446_2.png) [@Raigo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Raigo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/10 "2014-09-17T00:40:51Z")
> [@kadabrium](#): > > Mickey split atom boingy > some brain twister > regen > black hops/circular hops > bind > Chia left to right behind the back transfer > regen > under the leg eli hops > bind > Iori fingerspin start > over arm eli hops > more braintwister > regen > inverse gerbil > Chia UFO orbit regen > Ahmad around the waist > bind > Ogi crossarm halo > halo suicide > behind the back halo > behind the back regen to front regen > Takeshi DoN bind pat on the back to whoever can do that without messing up xD Maybe you can do that takeshi move right before he did the bind(the arm combo to horizontal whip) ---
**Author:** ![Nathan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nathan/32/191605_2.png) [@Nathan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nathan)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/a-question-for-judges/69458/11 "2014-09-17T02:52:44Z")
If you don’t have dead air and you don’t miss you should make finals.