# 5A trick help
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/5a-trick-help/82516
**Category:** Yo-Yo Tricks
**Created:** [November 29, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/5a-trick-help/82516 "2016-11-29T01:11:40Z")
**Posts on this page:** 4
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### Author:  [@PD123](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PD123)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/5a-trick-help/82516/1 "2016-11-29T01:11:40Z")
I help some problem with the trick windmill in 5a. I just can’t do it simultaneously and when i try to do that, the yoyo just hit the ground. Can you guys give me some tips. Beside, i use speedaholic and kilter 2 for 5a play, are they good at 5a? Thanks
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### Author:  [@OhDavidBowie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/OhDavidBowie)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/5a-trick-help/82516/2 "2016-11-29T01:34:01Z")
Are you dropping the yoyo? Or is it long enough to hit the ground? What exactly is happening?
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### Author:  [@PD123](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PD123)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/5a-trick-help/82516/3 "2016-11-29T01:40:39Z")
I drop the yoyo. I just don’t know how to keep the yoyo one my hand. I use short string while playing 5a so i am pretty sure that my problem doesn’t come from string.
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### Author:  [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)
#### Post date: [November 29, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/5a-trick-help/82516/4 "2016-11-29T02:43:04Z")
Make sure you’re giving the yoyo enough momentum to swing around and also make sure that you’re releasing at the right time and point. I don’t know what tutorial you used to learn it but I think the tutorial on [definitiveyoyoing.com](http://definitiveyoyoing.com) does a great job of explaining the details of it.
If your issue is with catching the counterweight, that’ll just come with practice.
As for what to use, I think the Kilter is great for 5a, it’s actually what I use myself. I don’t think the Speedaholic would be very good for it. It’s not very stable or forgiving.