# 2A pairs **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [October 13, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100 "2014-10-13T20:59:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sallas116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@sallas116](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sallas116)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/1 "2014-10-13T20:59:13Z")
I was wanting to start 2A and was wondering which set is the easiest to learn on but is also really good for advanced. And I can also do the very basic tricks already. ---
**Author:** ![live\_wire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f1d935/32.png) [@live\_wire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/live_wire)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/2 "2014-10-13T22:36:53Z")
Yoyojoker vortex is the most all rounded IMO. If you can’t get those, loop 1080s will do fine. ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/3 "2014-10-14T01:38:41Z")
Was gonna say yoyomonster crooks are supposed to be slow and stable but very consistent ---
**Author:** ![mysteriousyoyoer\_par](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@mysteriousyoyoer\_par](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mysteriousyoyoer_par)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/4 "2014-10-14T07:10:03Z")
What about loop 808 they are cheap haven’t tried those but have heard good things about them. ---
**Author:** ![live\_wire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f1d935/32.png) [@live\_wire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/live_wire)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/5 "2014-10-14T07:24:20Z")
> [@sparhawk](#): > > Was gonna say yoyomonster crooks are supposed to be slow and stable but very consistent I was thinking of that as well but crooks loop slow and he said he wanted something the could take him to more advanced levels so for looping fast it wouldn’t be very good. ---
**Author:** ![azunyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@azunyan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/azunyan)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/6 "2014-10-14T17:21:46Z")
raider ---
**Author:** ![sallas116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@sallas116](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sallas116)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/7 "2014-10-14T18:12:07Z")
I saw the raider at sports authority on sale for $6. Is that a good price? ---
**Author:** ![live\_wire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f1d935/32.png) [@live\_wire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/live_wire)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/8 "2014-10-14T22:38:20Z")
> [@sallas116](#): > > I saw the raider at sports authority on sale for $6. Is that a good price? If its a real one, yes, that is a great find. But you may have to mod it. ---
**Author:** ![azunyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@azunyan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/azunyan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/9 "2014-10-15T04:51:20Z")
> [@sallas116](#): > > I saw the raider at sports authority on sale for $6. Is that a good price? buy me some too ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/10 "2014-10-15T23:32:23Z")
> [@mysteriousyoyoer parvarsingh](#): > > What about loop 808 they are cheap haven’t tried those but have heard good things about them. I prefer my 808s over the 900 ---
**Author:** ![FiveIronBrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fiveironbrian/32/451_2.png) [@FiveIronBrian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/FiveIronBrian)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/2a-pairs/70100/11 "2014-10-20T02:38:49Z")
Unleashed are easily gap-adjusted, don’t fall apart during play, have great spin times (love that response), and are very durable. I feel like anything good for advanced 2A stuff is good for beginners too. For a really easy start, Speed Beetles are great (they flip really easily) but terrible for advanced tricks (low spin time). In my experience, Raiders (regular and EX) crack really easily trying to get them tight but not too tight and can unscrew suddenly during play (1080s can fall apart too). You might try a little loctite on the threads. You at least get more of a warning before it happens!